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WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
Ferahgo the Assassin:
I think they're going to get back together. Marten's face in the last panel says it all. They'll make up, apologize, nothing will change.
sirisaacnuton:
--- Quote from: helloandgoodbye on 15 Nov 2010, 20:46 ---
Also, take a look at the comic again because I think we're interpreting it differently: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1797
Okay, look at the first panel. Dora's face is clearly remorseful and confused. I don't see how you could possibly get an "angry face" from this. I also don't see how you could construe her words as sarcastic. They seem genuine to me.
She also admits that Marten was right and that she shouldn't have invaded his privacy. She's confused. She isn't sure why Marten is so mad, so she she says that she didn't think it was that big of a deal in order to get an explanation from him. I don't see in any shape way or from how she is being angry, sarcastic, or unapologetic.
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Well, you're definitely interpreting it differently than me. I don't see how you could possibly get what you're getting. The face by itself I could see going either way, but the body language and word choice are screaming to me that her opinion of the entire thing is "You have no reason to be upset and angry and I have no reason to be apologizing."
I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure I've never in my life heard anyway say "Look, I'm sorry, it's not a big deal!" in even a remotely sincere way. "Look, I'm sorry" absolutely smacks of being a dismissal of the other person's feelings. A person phrasing an apology that way isn't apologizing because he/she actually feels apologetic, they're doing it because they want to just end the hysterics or overreaction that they feel the other person is engaged in. And telling someone you don't think it's a big deal in the same breath you apologize is as good as telling them they're being stupid for acting this way. And when you add in the hand gesture, which looks to be basically throwing up the hands in exasperation, is just adds to the whole picture.
Someone who is truly confused and apologetic would just apologize. Once the apology is accepted there would be plenty of opportunity to explain that she didn't think it was a big deal or that he was serious. But what she threw at his back wasn't an apology. An apology would have been "I'm sorry." Laden with the amount of extra she packed on, there's just no way I can read it, and look at her body language, and see anything even in the remotest neighborhood of actual sincerity.
Moxie:
--- Quote from: helloandgoodbye on 15 Nov 2010, 20:30 --- The problem here is that people are ignoring the reasons that Marten is at fault here as well.
Dora invaded Marten's privacy. Yes. She apologized. Yes. Instead of trying to, you know, explain to Dora why he was angry, he basically attacked her about a subject that she is rather sensitive about and is irrelevant to the situation. Dora is right. Marten is being a little vindictive.
And Dora actually was listening to Marten's side in this instance. She realized that he was right and apologized and explained why she did what she did. Instead of explaining to Dora why it was a big deal to him, he brought up things from the past, which, frankly, is only going to get the other person on the offensive.
They are both at fault here. Not just Dora.
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I have to respectfully disagree on some of your train of thought. I can agree that they are both at fault here, but I don't agree with your reasons.
Marten is at fault because he's allowed his anger to apparently quietly grow until he reaches the "straw that breaks the camel's back" and totally loses it. And you know, while yes the privacy thing probably is the bulk of the issue, I think that what he said to Dora is also a large part of something that bothers it. It may be irrelevant to the current situation, but he's already steamed and Dora wouldn't give him time to cool down. So all of his issues are coming out.
Meanwhile, Dora's facial expressions throughout tonight's comic speak even more than her words, in my opinion. It's kind of difficult to tell her tone in panel one, but based off her face it appears that she's apologizing without really doing so. She's saying, "sorry I behaved in a way you don't like even though I don't think it's really all that big of a deal". Not only is she not particularly apologizing, she's also implying that Marten's got no rational reason to be upset with her. And then, when Marten's anger finally really shows itself, she gets defensive ("you seriously wanna talk about this?" - also implying that Marten's got no leg to stand on) and then gets offensive and name calling with him.
And when he finally tells her that he's tired of hearing her apologize (which sort of implies he's tried of hearing all her talk without seeing her actually doing anything), she completely gives up on the situation.
Marten was mad. He tried to leave so he wouldn't blow up, but Dora pushed him. So Marten blew up, about everything that's totally bothered him. And Dora was dismissive about his privacy, his feelings, and chose to drop the situation completely.
Sure, they may both be at fault. But that doesn't mean that Marten's at fault is equal, or worse than Dora's fault. I think that a lot of this has been brought on by Dora herself.
bunnyThor:
I don't get the joke in the punchline. Could someone explain it to me?
Random Wanderer:
--- Quote from: Ferahgo the Assassin on 15 Nov 2010, 20:52 ---I think they're going to get back together. Marten's face in the last panel says it all. They'll make up, apologize, nothing will change.
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I have nothing against them making up and apologizing (unlike some folks) but something needs to change, and I don't see why it can't. Status quo is not god in this comic. Things happen, relationships change, characters fade in and out of view. Dora and Marten can talk and make up, and STILL change things for the better. They don't HAVE to go back to the same sort of status quo that caused this explosion.
Or Dora could totally go hook up with Raven, or something, and Marten and Hannelore get together and form a clone army to conquer the world and make it a neat, tidy, and very passive place.
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