Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
Cold:
--- Quote from: Odal on 16 Nov 2010, 03:08 ---Prediction: Dora will go back to CoD and get all emotional with Faye around. Then after work she'll go see Sven and they'll both talk to each other about how much their lives suck. Sven because he thought he was making progress towards being a better person but got shot down by Faye. Dora because she's always had to work to make a relationship last with her past douchebags and now she's doing a fine job of destroying the one person who she's not had to bend over backwards for. Dora will get upset with Sven initially, because she's upset that he's never had to try to get women, while she's had the opposite.
But they'll both revert back to their old ways out of self pity. Sven will seduce Dora and they'll have intense, rigorous, and deliciously painful sex for the whole night. Then, the next day, Sven will leave unannounced realizing what an asshole move it was to have sex with his own sister. Of course they didn't think to use protection and Dora will get pregnant with her brother's child. And since Sven will not be around, she will be a single mother living on her own.
As for Marten, he'll be standing in the doorway for about 15 minutes after Dora leaves with the same dumb expression on his face, only after about five minutes tears will start flowing from his eyes. Hanners will show up with cleaning supplies on expecting that Marten would be gone and she was going to secretly clean his apartment while he was gone. Then she'll see Marten crying and it'll change her completely. Marten is such a great, and emotionally strong man. There's no way he could be crying unless it was a true tragedy.
She'll approach him and he'll jump, not noticing she was there. She'll ask if he's okay and he'll wipe away his tears while saying yes, trying to remain strong. Hanners will see through it though. Marten is a sort of hero to her and has helped her so much, and now its her turn to return the favor. She'll grab him by the hand with her yellow glove hands, take him over to the couch to sit him down, and take a seat next to him. She'll ask him what is wrong and to not bother telling her nothing because she knows better!
Marten will explain the situation and she'll tell him that he deserves better than Dora. Hanners will take off her gloves, scoot closer to Marten and nuzzle his face with her face mask and put her bare hand on his lap. Marten will be shocked initially, because he knows of her OCD. He'll grab her hand to move it away from him, but as soon as he touches her hand, he'll realize how soft and clean her skin is.
Marten will stare blankly into her bright, beautiful blue eyes.
"What about your O-" He'll mutter.
"It can be ignored." Hanners will retort.
And I'll leave the intimate Hanners and Marten to your imagination, except that Marten will use a condom since they're in Marten's (and formerly Dora's) place.
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EVERYONE FUCKS THEN I RETIRE*
*Hannelore realdoll
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: bonzombiekitty on 16 Nov 2010, 04:36 ---I can think of three real fights -
1. This one
2. The underwear incident
3. Marten getting hit on.
Were there others I don't recall?
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Haircut (not that big a fight, but the first);
Marten still has feelings for old girlfriends (didn't go far);
Marten disagrees that Faye seeing Sven is aimed at him.
Zipperstuck:
Far as I can tell, here's what went down.
Marten: I want you to treat me with the respect you expect me to give you. No more excuses.
Dora: Well, I'm outta here then. Who do you think you are, demanding the respect you deserve?
sirisaacnuton:
--- Quote from: bonzombiekitty on 16 Nov 2010, 04:36 ---
I guess I'm in the minority here who likes Marten and Dora together. People keep talking about them fighting all the time, but really, how often have they fought. I can think of three real fights -
1. This one
2. The underwear incident
3. Marten getting hit on.
Were there others I don't recall?
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But there's fights and then there's fights. Couples fight about stuff all the time...but these were pretty vicious. Telling Faye she's fired and Marten not to come to bed is a huge reaction. Calling Marten a vindictive prick is taking things beyond just an argument within a couple. Add to that the fact that (in comic-time) these have all come pretty close to each other, and it gives the impression that it's just one thing after another.
So in the grand scheme of things, 3 fights in a relationship (or a few more) might be nothing. On the other hand, 3 fights in a relationship in a very short period, all of which are pretty nasty, all of which basically come down to being the same fight in slightly different wrapping, and none of which led to any serious kind of development of the relationship or their (lack of) communication. That's what doesn't bode well for the relationship.
gathayah:
I think that ultimately the bottom line here is that this is mostly a matter of miscommunication. I say "mostly" because yes, there are other factors at work here, but I think miscommunication is the most prevalent. Most of this stems from Dora's insecurity, but that isn't to say that Marten doesn't have a hand in it as well, no matter how small.
Let's look at the facts here: First off, and perhaps most important, Dora is extremely insecure and is more prone to being irrational than the other characters in the comic. Case in point: the underwear incident and the haircut incident, both of which lasted for several strips before they were resolved. They were ultimately minor issues that should not have been problems to begin with, and yet they became a huge deal when Dora flew off the handle. But looking at Dora's track record with her previous boyfriends it isn't hard to see why this might be the case. If all of her previous S.O.'s were really as horrible as she and Sven have made them out to be, maybe she's just inadvertently worried that Marten will fall into the same stock. Despite evidence to the contrary, she's worried that he's just another asshole who will walk over her, so minor offenses erupt into huge confrontations.
Now, that said, this particular issue could have been avoided relatively quickly as soon as Dora followed Marten into his room to try to "apologize" (because let's face it here, based on her wording and body language, Dora's apology was most definitely NOT sincere). Marten obviously left the room because he needed time to cool down before talking to Dora. And what does Dora do? Back him into a corner, literally. Instead of telling Dora "I'm not ready to talk about this right now, I need some time to cool off," he immediately attacked her. That isn't to say that it wasn't necessarily unwarranted, but it wasn't the right time to be coming forward with the stuff that he said. Granted, he was angry and probably wasn't in the best of mindsets at that particular moment. But even so, simply telling Dora to back off until he calmed down could have easily avoided what has come to happen now.
Dora's got issues, we can't deny that. But both parties need to be willing to work through rough patches in any relationship, and this is certainly no exception. Dora and Marten need to sit down and have a nice long chat if they have any hope of fixing this mess.
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