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WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)

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daryljfontaine:

--- Quote from: Skewbrow on 16 Nov 2010, 07:18 ---Hopefully your posting this prevents Jeph from following that path.

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I never expect writers to use or change plot points based on fan speculation.  With all the WAGging (Wild Ass Guessing) going on, someone is bound to hit at least one of the major plot developments, and to change it just because some random internets person correctly typed Shakespeare on their keyboard is a sign of insecurity in the writer.

I also never expect to guess correctly, though I reserve the right to point at my previous posts and grin if one of my WAGs turns out to come true.

I was in a role-playing game way back in my college days where we had the GM describe our NPC mission leader finishing a phone call before giving us our briefing.  I made an offhand joke that he had just finished reporting to his villainous superiors; apparently this was actually the case and our GM had the presence of mind not to let that affect the rest of the game.  We would not get the actual revelation for months.  I am told (by the GM) that his glare at me in that first session would have turned me to stone had I actually taken notice of it.

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Moxie:

--- Quote from: Saral on 16 Nov 2010, 04:01 ---I'm starting to understand why Dora loses people to Sven. He's an ass but at least he says straight up these are the rules with me. And after a "relationship" with Dora, no strings might be just what some people need. He only crossed one line, a line he didn't quite know he was crossing. A big one to be fair but he didn't know. he thought it was casual. And he did try to correct it. Too late as it happens but unlike Dora he tried.

Blaming Sven means Dora doesn't have to examine her behaviour. The fault line in relationships looking to be Dora's not Sven's. Until Dora can honestly say she's at fault, her relationships will not improve.
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I think this is a really interesting point! I think it also ties in with the point someone made about how if Dora and Sven were to talk and Dora makes the point about how she sees how Sven treats women who keep going back to him, but here she did one little thing to Marten and he just blows up at her with Sven pointing out to her that no, this is not the first "little thing" that has happened and also, has she noticed that he is all alone and stuff?
It's true that Dora's got a ton of insecurities, but it may also be true that a lot of them started from her interactions with her brother, meaning they have been building for an extremely long time. And if she can't move on from that and say that regardless of what happened, she's going to get better because she wants to do so, it will be just as easy for her to continue blaming others for her own issues without ever actually addressing them.



Incidentally, someone quoted me on saying that Dora seemed to be reacting on autopilot during this argument, and later someone else mentioned that Dora almost seemed to interpret Marten's "I'm sick of your apologies" and "I'm sick of you". I think that ties a lot into Dora was expecting this all to happen eventually, and now that she thinks it's happening, she's not actually listening to what's being said, she's just reacting as she did in previous bad relationships. Yes, Dora and Marten have terrible communication, but it's never going to improve as long as Marten won't actually stand up for himself when he is upset at the time and as long as Dora continues to assume she knows how this all is going to play out rather than actually paying attention to what she's got.

cocks:
Prediction: Steve will blow up the coffee shop.

Elysiana:

--- Quote from: Skewbrow on 16 Nov 2010, 07:18 ---
--- Quote from: Mr_Rose on 16 Nov 2010, 05:53 ---...and now I'm wondering how this fight would have gone down if it turned out Marten was into bro/sis incest fiction.


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I was more worried about the possibility of a secret folder named "faye36D". :roll:

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You joke, but I somehow get the feeling that deep down that's almost what Dora was hoping to find - perhaps not specifically, but something she could use against him. Someone else mentioned that she is self-sabotaging, and I absolutely agree with that. I used to be that way - find something wrong, ANYTHING, and then you get to hold it over their heads, break up with them, and save yourself the heartache of someone else dumping you first. Dora always seems to jump the gun on this sort of thing, blame Marten, and then realize she's got it good with him and shouldn't have jumped the gun. Marten puts up with a lot of crap from her... I'm actually kinda glad he stood up for himself this time.

innermoppet:
So many opinions to absorb...

I guess I'm coming at it from the crux of the issue. Not so much the invasion of privacy -which is bad enough- but the truth is Marten walks on eggshells so as not to upset Dora and she doesn't have the decency to even consider her feelings before she goes off half-cocked and checks his computer.

They are at their cores, very different sexually. Dora is free wheeling and will discuss anything with anyone. Marten has always had a line when it comes to sex, porn, his mother etc. He is super uncomfortable with that stuff and she hasn't picked up on that by now which suggests she isn't paying attention.

While i don't think this fight is stupid, I do think many a relationship has been damaged over excruciatingly stupid fights and over seemingly inconsequential things. It's never one thing. It's a series of little things that chip away at you until you just can't take it anymore. While I think it's great that Dora is good at apologizing for her behavior, it would be better if she bothered to pay attention to her behavior in the first place. After a while "I'm sorry" gets old. You'd rather have a partner that behaved like a grown up rather than someone who behaves like a child and scoots their foot on the floor and says "aww shucks" after they acted like a jerk.

Are they broken up? Doubtful, unless one of them makes a serious mistake in the interim and hooks up with someone else. Marten doesn't want to be broken up. He wants her to think about what she does before she does it instead of groveling afterward.

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