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WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
IanClark:
--- Quote from: innermoppet on 16 Nov 2010, 12:05 ---I guess I don't understand why this comment was arrogant. Maybe I'm reading it "wrong" but I think Sylette made a pretty valid point about Dora not really being able to understand where Marten is coming from. I don't 100% agree with it but I definitely think it has merit. To be sexually inhibited or restrained depending on how you define it, is not a bad thing. It just is. She's sexually open. He's less so. She may have a hard time really grasping a hold of that information. I'm a touchy feely person and I am always surprised when someone else is not.
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I don't think it was arrogant so much as just narrow-minded. Being one of the supposed "sexually open" people myself, I don't really expect other people to be more like me. I don't think my point of view is the only one you can hold re: boundaries and I would never try to inflict it on anyone else no matter how many times I force them to watch Rocky Horror (which I've done to every girlfriend I've ever had, by the way).
Emperor Norton:
--- Quote from: Wiregeek on 16 Nov 2010, 12:04 ---
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 16 Nov 2010, 11:43 ---@Wiregeek, that was kind of dickish man. Its a shit ton of reading, I did it, but I don't see anyone who doesn't have the urge to do the same as somehow deficit. Hell, I shouldn't be reading all of this. I have other things in my life I should be doing than reading crazed debates on fictional characters in a webcomic. Get your head out of your ass man.
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tl;dr, amirite?
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So because you and I have time to read this, everyone else needs to take the time to do it? Surely none of them have lives. Like work, or school, or kids, or you know any other thing that might be important in life. But no, obviously anyone who doesn't have the time to read all this is just a lazy sloth watching the boobtube. I'm somehow amazed that you somehow equate reading this thread in its entirety as some kind of positive quality, other than crazy amounts of spare time.
someone1074:
Is no one else surprised by this apparently widespread lack of empathy? I'm a pretty sexually open person, but I know damn well not to tread that area with certain others. Same goes for a number of different characteristics.
I thought knowing that others come from diverse backgrounds and have unique personalities was...relatively common sense.
EDIT: Should have heeded the reply warning. Guess others have caught that too.
enigma3d:
--- Quote from: IanClark on 16 Nov 2010, 12:10 ---
--- Quote from: innermoppet on 16 Nov 2010, 12:05 ---I guess I don't understand why this comment was arrogant. Maybe I'm reading it "wrong" but I think Sylette made a pretty valid point about Dora not really being able to understand where Marten is coming from. I don't 100% agree with it but I definitely think it has merit. To be sexually inhibited or restrained depending on how you define it, is not a bad thing. It just is. She's sexually open. He's less so. She may have a hard time really grasping a hold of that information. I'm a touchy feely person and I am always surprised when someone else is not.
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I don't think it was arrogant so much as just narrow-minded. Being one of the supposed "sexually open" people myself, I don't really expect other people to be more like me. I don't think my point of view is the only one you can hold re: boundaries and I would never try to inflict it on anyone else no matter how many times I force them to watch Rocky Horror (which I've done to every girlfriend I've ever had, by the way).
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It all comes down to experience. If you've never known anything else, it would be hard to grasp differences.
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 16 Nov 2010, 12:13 ---
--- Quote from: Wiregeek on 16 Nov 2010, 12:04 ---
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 16 Nov 2010, 11:43 ---@Wiregeek, that was kind of dickish man. Its a shit ton of reading, I did it, but I don't see anyone who doesn't have the urge to do the same as somehow deficit. Hell, I shouldn't be reading all of this. I have other things in my life I should be doing than reading crazed debates on fictional characters in a webcomic. Get your head out of your ass man.
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tl;dr, amirite?
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So because you and I have time to read this, everyone else needs to take the time to do it? Surely none of them have lives. Like work, or school, or kids, or you know any other thing that might be important in life. But no, obviously anyone who doesn't have the time to read all this is just a lazy sloth watching the boobtube. I'm somehow amazed that you somehow equate reading this thread in its entirety as some kind of positive quality, other than crazy amounts of spare time.
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^this.
@Wiregeek: I read it all, but that's because I'm an obsessive person with copious amounts of spare time. Considering that the thread only really got so large because so many people were offering an opinion, rather than a whole lot of discussion taking place, although there was a lot of that too, you really are being kind of a dick. Chill out, relax, life's too short.
muffin_of_chaos:
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 16 Nov 2010, 11:43 ---As a comment, knowing who overstepped (who is to "blame") can be useful, but doesn't need to be dwelt upon, and doesn't need to be seen as the ONLY problem. People have to be responsible for their actions. How can they do that if they are never held accountable for any of it? (hence blamed).
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Blame as an assignation of guilt is never really justified unless it's universally decided that people should feel certain ways, and in secular society there isn't the obligation to feel certain ways but merely to follow laws. Such that the actor who is thought to be guilty is thought to have failed morally.
Most relationships are similar to secular society, in that interpretation of how one reacts feelings-wise to a given situation in a relationship is allowed to be fluid so that it can take into account many potential factors that an outside observer has little ability to judge. Moreover, the outcome of said situations tend to have consequences that could not be predicted by the actors of the relationship.
Blame as an assignation of responsibility works, but other words or phrases might serve better that don't have connotations of moral failure or of consequences. Like "responsible" or "caused by."
Dora's actions caused the situation, and Dora's thoughtlessness and Marten's inability to communicate clearly while distraught makes them both responsible for the escalation later. But the blame associated with each one's actions is not clear-cut, as it isn't clear what exact damage has been caused or what exact mental processes took place to ensure that what did happen spiraled out of each's control.
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