Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
rje:
--- Quote from: Kazukagii on 16 Nov 2010, 22:06 ---
--- Quote from: rje on 16 Nov 2010, 21:59 ---Also I keep envisioning this COP-esque escalating fight on Sven's front porch with Dona in a tube top and bike shorts and Marten sporting a non-ironic mullet-trucker-cap.
And it's amusing me way way more than it should.
::Marten on the ground being cuffed:: Y'ALL AIN'T FIT!
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Listen up Jeph, I would pay you cash money for this to happen in the comic. CASH MONEY! Think about it.
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::sings:: Y'aaall are brutalizin' meee...
I would just like to share the opinion that I think Faye and Angus are perfect compliments for one another and I love them to bits and pieces and I hope Jeph keeps their relationship just truckin' along, truck-truck-truckin' along.
Also they may not have been dating long, but they've been doing the courtship dance for thirty goddamn years so I can't see the burgeoning Real Relationship ending soon.
edit: Well fuckity fuck fuck someone already said all that. OH WELL IMITATION IS THE SINCEREST FORM OF FLATTERY.
raoullefere:
--- Quote from: iduguphergrave on 16 Nov 2010, 22:50 ---
--- Quote from: Soluzar on 16 Nov 2010, 22:43 ---
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 16 Nov 2010, 22:37 ---But that's the beauty of it! It's exactly like you say! If Marten went after Faye now it would be incredibly creepy and awful! If Faye were to give in it'd be worse! Angus would have his heart wrenched out! Marten would be unequivocally wrong!
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How exactly would Marten be wrong? Faye and Angus are hardly an established couple, they had like one date. Plus, if Faye wants to break it off with Angus, it's her choice.
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You're right, it is her choice, but this would be the worst possible way to do it. Imagine the next day:
Faye: Listen, i'm sorry but this isn't going to work out.
Angus: What? Why?!
Faye: I had awesome drunken sex with Marten last night and I want to be with him after all. Thanks for your time, though!
Angus: :-o :? :cry:
Let me also remind you that Marten once reassured Angus that he wasn't holding a torch for Faye. If this happened he'd be doubly betrayed and pretty goddamned fucking pissed off.
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You forgot the one thing to make this perfect.
That afternoon…knock knock
Marigold: WHoooo is it?
Angus: Destiny!
I must now go lie on the floor and laugh my ass off.
muffin_of_chaos:
Uh, can the discussion try to be limited to comic as it is established to be now, and where it probably will go in the near future?
Because going back and forth about Fayten--while increasing page count, apparently something worthy of interest--is really pointless. The most that could possibly happen is Dora finding out Marten decided to get sloshed with Faye without her directly after their fight, and that making things even worse between them. Faye is very invested in Angus at this point, and not in Marten, and has trust issues that are antithesis to the possibility of her cheating. As far as we know at least.
Tergon:
*stares at thread*
*looks down at The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks*
*looks back at thread*
...so be it ...if it must be done...
Okay, first things first: Marten and Faye are not about to randomly hook up. There are seven things wrong with that idea, and each one of them is all of it. Even if Marten still had serious romantic interest in Faye (he's said multiple times he does not), and even if Faye still had serious romantic interest in Marten (she's also said she does not), and even if Faye wasn't now into Angus (she is), and even if Dora and Marten do break up (they haven't), it still would not happen because Jeph is not a rejected writer from Friends. Seriously, what the fuck. Even if, IF the over-arching storyline of QC is leading toward them finally hooking up, it is absolutely nowhere near happening yet. No amount of booze, emotions, lowered inhibitions or ANYTHING ELSE can make that plausible.
Next, Dora.
Yes, she's being a terrible bitch. Eveyone in the comic has thus far realised it - including, and this is important, DORA HERSELF. Her being an insecure control freak is not a sudden dramatic thing, it is in fact one of the biggest recurring themes in the relationship and has been a major plot point several times in the past. Her insecurities have been a prevalent issue since literally within hours of her and Marten first hooking up when she collapsed in a ball of self-loathing after kissing him. Getting sad because Marten might not really want her, getting touchy when other women interact with Marten, not trusting Faye and Marten together, not listening to Marten, not respecting Marten's privacy - they are all offshoots of the same fucking problem and this has been made abundantly clear, in canon, a dozen times.
Is this problem making hell for Marten? Yes, obviously. Is Marten sick of dealing with this problem? Yes, obviously. So why is he still dealing with it? It is because Dora is his girlfriend and he obviously loves her and how the fucking hell is that not the most obvious thing of all, seriously. He has his limits, God knows he has his limits, but he's making the effort because he's a human being with real emotions who's working to make his relationship last with someone he cares about. If and when he reaches his limit the relationship might end, but he's not at the limit yet. How can we tell? Because he's still trying, even if he's bitter about it. Yes, he's nearing his limit, but he is not going to decide to change everything now. A relationship with someone you like isn't like changing your accounts to a new bank because you don't like the service at your old one, and acting like he can just "change his mind" about Dora is utterly, utterly retarded. His actions up until this point, and Dora's actions up until this point, are completely logical, make perfect sense for their characters, and I for the life of me cannot see what all the confusion is about.
Yes, obviously, things are pretty fucking bad right now. Will they break up? Maybe. Will they break up permanently? I have no goddamn clue. Maybe Marten's going to take that holiday he was talking to Dora about a while back, only by himself, to "clear his head" a little. Or maybe Dora will actually find some way to come to terms with her issues. Or maybe Marten will finally lose his famous cool, blow up at all the shit in his life, and they'll break up for good. What's even MORE likely is that none of these things will happen in the next strip, or the next ten, or maybe even the next hundred, because only Jeph knows where the current arc is going and thus far he's prett good at defying our expectations.
If we are to continue thinking of Marten and Dora as reasonable people (or characters) then they should not break up over this. Arguing otherwise is idiotic and proof that you know fuck-all about relationships. But guess what? NOBODY SAID THEY HAD TO BE FUCKING REASONABLE. People, as a rule, are not reasonable or sensible in the vast majority of cases. And even if Marten and Dora don't break up over this specific incident, maybe it'll be another one. Or maybe they won't. Screaming that they absolutely must do this or that will not only achieve nothing, it's stupid. I, for one, lean toward them sticking together, even if things are mighty strained for a while, but if they really wanted to break up, it would have happened three hundred strips ago and we all goddamn know it.
So in closing, my final thoughts:
This is all happening as part of the story progression. The characters are being true to what we know about them, even in going so far as to say that we know they can be inconsistent. The characters do not have to do the "sensible" or the "right" thing. And they are allowed to fuck things up for themselves. But, ultimately, things are going to change, because if they don't the story will go nowhere at all. How they will change, how dramatic it will be, and who - if anyone - is right... that, we're going to find out.
AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU POST ARGUING THAT YOU WOULD WRITE THE STORY DIFFERENTLY, IT WILL NOT CHANGE HOW THE STORY IS WRITTEN. So calm the jolly fuck down, have a little faith that Jeph is actually a competent storywriter, and let the man take us along for the ride. I, for one, am enjoying it.
*swings The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks around his head and gives a battle cry*
*plunges into the fray*
Kazukagii:
--- Quote from: muffin_of_chaos on 16 Nov 2010, 23:21 ---Uh, can the discussion try to be limited to comic as it is established to be now, and where it probably will go in the near future?
Because going back and forth about Fayten--while increasing page count, apparently something worthy of interest--is really pointless. The most that could possibly happen is Dora finding out Marten decided to get sloshed with Faye without her directly after their fight, and that making things even worse between them. Faye is very invested in Angus at this point, and not in Marten, and has trust issues that are antithesis to the possibility of her cheating. As far as we know at least.
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I'd suggest not trying to steer this thread to remain ontopic. That's one self-destructive path, my friend.
If it's bothering you go read a magazine and forget this thread exists for a week or so, then come back for next week. Or at least stop reading for a night. It helps if you take it all in small doses.
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