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WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
Arky:
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--- Quote from: Bumblebee on 16 Nov 2010, 20:25 ---If I was Marten I would just try and convey to Faye that I didn't care about her hangups, but it'd be tough. I think this is one of those instances where the man really needs to take control - he should just get drunk with her, then gently but firmly rub her up against a wall by her wrists and start kissing and dry humping her while whispering in her ear about how much he likes her, sexually as well as a friend. Though at first she might be disconcerted or disorientated it's important he never stop - Marten is passive by nature but if he apologises and walks away it will just add to Faye's abandonment issues as she'll feel that her crying or screaming for him to stop has pushed him away. Unfortunately I don't think Marten has the willpower to do this ... really, what he needs is a good friend who would help him out by lacing his drink with cocaine or some other aggressant that would allow him to really let his inhibitions go and confess his feelings, but I don't think any are up to it :-(
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...
... really?
REALLY?!
I'm... I'm... I'm speechless.
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I said something yesterday about how people are projecting themselves onto the characters in the way they talk about the situation. We're learning some truly dreadful things about our fellow readers, eh?
By the way, a number of people (especially people new to the forum) have expressed distress over the number of people who hate Dora. To those people: don't worry. If you show up here the next time Faye punches someone, you'll learn there's also plenty of hate for "violent psychopath" Faye who doesn't understand that violence is not OK just because it's female on male. And if Marten had roled over to Dora's non-apology here, people showing hate for "doormat" "personality-less" Marten. You get the idea. It's the internet. It comes with the territory.
I don't think anyone hates Hanners though. We all love Hanners!
akronnick:
Faye hasn't punched anyone in a good long time.
Everybody expected her to beat the lliving shit out of Sven when that all happened, but she just got up and left without saying a word. And I don't think she's committed any acts of violence since then. (Muffins flung at hippies, but that's it)
Dora, however...
Tergon:
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 17 Nov 2010, 01:06 ---TERGON! AKRONNICK! If you would have this fool's UBMEOD...it is yours!
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Join with us, good Doctor, and may your Dickbroom flail in the face of many an ignorant Fan-Troll. Ride 'til only the open plains lie before you!
Also, good to see some saner opinions reading through this thread, especially in the last few pages. Maybe if we actually gave Jeph a little more credit instead of screaming in hate every time he does something new, he'd be more cheerful about visiting these threads. :P It's a pleasure to see some folks do agree. The Order of the Dickbroom smiles upon you all.
westrim:
--- Quote from: Arky on 17 Nov 2010, 01:15 ---I said something yesterday about how people are projecting themselves onto the characters in the way they talk about the situation. We're learning some truly dreadful things about our fellow readers, eh?
By the way, a number of people (especially people new to the forum) have expressed distress over the number of people who hate Dora. To those people: don't worry. If you show up here the next time Faye punches someone, you'll learn there's also plenty of hate for "violent psychopath" Faye who doesn't understand that violence is not OK just because it's female on male. And if Marten had roled over to Dora's non-apology here, people showing hate for "doormat" "personality-less" Marten. You get the idea. It's the internet. It comes with the territory.
I don't think anyone hates Hanners though. We all love Hanners!
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Especially the lust turkeys.
I am perhaps a bit too proud that I decided not to be one of those people this time. I guess I'm just getting more patient, or maybe it's this essay I should be writing.
*Hops on feathered steed and rides East** into the setting sun.*
--- Quote from: akronnick on 17 Nov 2010, 00:17 ---
--- Quote from: Tergon on 17 Nov 2010, 00:06 ---Akronnick, I can think of no more appropriate steed for a Knight Of The Dickbroom than a foul-mouthed, perpetually shouting, lust-crazed bird with a scrotum hanging from its chin and a distinctive cry of "Gobble gobble gobble".
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And that is now my signature...
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As the impetus for this line of thought, you're welcome.
** That's-the-joke.jpg.
IanClark:
--- Quote from: Tergon on 16 Nov 2010, 23:22 ---*stares at thread*
*looks down at The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks*
*looks back at thread*
...so be it ...if it must be done...
Okay, first things first: Marten and Faye are not about to randomly hook up. There are seven things wrong with that idea, and each one of them is all of it. Even if Marten still had serious romantic interest in Faye (he's said multiple times he does not), and even if Faye still had serious romantic interest in Marten (she's also said she does not), and even if Faye wasn't now into Angus (she is), and even if Dora and Marten do break up (they haven't), it still would not happen because Jeph is not a rejected writer from Friends. Seriously, what the fuck. Even if, IF the over-arching storyline of QC is leading toward them finally hooking up, it is absolutely nowhere near happening yet. No amount of booze, emotions, lowered inhibitions or ANYTHING ELSE can make that plausible.
Next, Dora.
Yes, she's being a terrible bitch. Eveyone in the comic has thus far realised it - including, and this is important, DORA HERSELF. Her being an insecure control freak is not a sudden dramatic thing, it is in fact one of the biggest recurring themes in the relationship and has been a major plot point several times in the past. Her insecurities have been a prevalent issue since literally within hours of her and Marten first hooking up when she collapsed in a ball of self-loathing after kissing him. Getting sad because Marten might not really want her, getting touchy when other women interact with Marten, not trusting Faye and Marten together, not listening to Marten, not respecting Marten's privacy - they are all offshoots of the same fucking problem and this has been made abundantly clear, in canon, a dozen times.
Is this problem making hell for Marten? Yes, obviously. Is Marten sick of dealing with this problem? Yes, obviously. So why is he still dealing with it? It is because Dora is his girlfriend and he obviously loves her and how the fucking hell is that not the most obvious thing of all, seriously. He has his limits, God knows he has his limits, but he's making the effort because he's a human being with real emotions who's working to make his relationship last with someone he cares about. If and when he reaches his limit the relationship might end, but he's not at the limit yet. How can we tell? Because he's still trying, even if he's bitter about it. Yes, he's nearing his limit, but he is not going to decide to change everything now. A relationship with someone you like isn't like changing your accounts to a new bank because you don't like the service at your old one, and acting like he can just "change his mind" about Dora is utterly, utterly retarded. His actions up until this point, and Dora's actions up until this point, are completely logical, make perfect sense for their characters, and I for the life of me cannot see what all the confusion is about.
Yes, obviously, things are pretty fucking bad right now. Will they break up? Maybe. Will they break up permanently? I have no goddamn clue. Maybe Marten's going to take that holiday he was talking to Dora about a while back, only by himself, to "clear his head" a little. Or maybe Dora will actually find some way to come to terms with her issues. Or maybe Marten will finally lose his famous cool, blow up at all the shit in his life, and they'll break up for good. What's even MORE likely is that none of these things will happen in the next strip, or the next ten, or maybe even the next hundred, because only Jeph knows where the current arc is going and thus far he's prett good at defying our expectations.
If we are to continue thinking of Marten and Dora as reasonable people (or characters) then they should not break up over this. Arguing otherwise is idiotic and proof that you know fuck-all about relationships. But guess what? NOBODY SAID THEY HAD TO BE FUCKING REASONABLE. People, as a rule, are not reasonable or sensible in the vast majority of cases. And even if Marten and Dora don't break up over this specific incident, maybe it'll be another one. Or maybe they won't. Screaming that they absolutely must do this or that will not only achieve nothing, it's stupid. I, for one, lean toward them sticking together, even if things are mighty strained for a while, but if they really wanted to break up, it would have happened three hundred strips ago and we all goddamn know it.
So in closing, my final thoughts:
This is all happening as part of the story progression. The characters are being true to what we know about them, even in going so far as to say that we know they can be inconsistent. The characters do not have to do the "sensible" or the "right" thing. And they are allowed to fuck things up for themselves. But, ultimately, things are going to change, because if they don't the story will go nowhere at all. How they will change, how dramatic it will be, and who - if anyone - is right... that, we're going to find out.
AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU POST ARGUING THAT YOU WOULD WRITE THE STORY DIFFERENTLY, IT WILL NOT CHANGE HOW THE STORY IS WRITTEN. So calm the jolly fuck down, have a little faith that Jeph is actually a competent storywriter, and let the man take us along for the ride. I, for one, am enjoying it.
*swings The Useless Broom Made Entirely Out Of Dicks around his head and gives a battle cry*
*plunges into the fray*
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I... I love you.
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