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WCDT 15-19 November 2010 (1796-1800)
Carl-E:
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--- Quote from: fifthfiend on 15 Nov 2010, 00:22 ---By writing better.
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I hope that was a joke.
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If you're new-ish, please be aware that fifthfiend is a gnome.
It's like a troll, but smaller.
Loki:
--- Quote from: jeph on 15 Nov 2010, 00:20 ---how do I block this thread from my computers for the next week
or forever
:psyduck:
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Adblock http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,25347*
Apparently, blocking a whole page makes the request time out.
My prediction is that Sven magically turns up, Dora will be like "Hell, I don't even understand what the big deal is", he will explain it to her (this will take at least two comics), then on Thursday Dora apologizes to Marten, and says she appreciates Sven explaining the stuff to her. Friday: They watch his porn together. Then Dora start singing a song about love and little birdies and squirrels appear out of nowhere and sing along.
Blackjoker:
--- Quote from: jeph on 15 Nov 2010, 00:20 ---how do I block this thread from my computers for the next week
or forever
:psyduck:
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*offers the somewhat useful wall of penguins*
muffin_of_chaos:
--- Quote from: Boomslang on 15 Nov 2010, 00:15 ---Well, telling me I'm wrong is one of the great tactics of debate, I suppose, but I'll respectfully disagree. I specifically disagree with your characterization of Martin's actions, there is no 'raising of fears' because he knew precisely what was going to happen as soon as she left after that discussion. By following her, he clearly was expecting to catch her in the act. What other possibility would you suggest?
When I say he was testing her, I will point out that he could have avoided all of this by saying it was perfectly vanilla, which it is, and which would have resulted in Dora ceasing to ask questions. Just before this, he was willing to talk about intensely personal, highly sexual subjects with no hangups whatsoever. Blithely dodging the question would have been perfectly fitting with everything we've seen of Martin's character- it's this latest business that is the aberration, and thus I suspect that it is artificial on Martin's part. I will not claim this process is necessarily conscious, though.
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I disagree that he was testing her. Testing would indicate that he specifically told her not to in order to see if she would. Martin's almost anti-manipulative, a value that's emphasized here where there's no indication that he has any idea she'll instantly go and check his pr0n cache the moment in time after he espouses the virtue of privacy, given that she's working and they're just joking. Going to check on her to see if she was then doing what she said she would do--given that he doesn't want her to do it--is perfectly reasonable. Since there is a possibility she's just messing with him and will not actually do it? She could even go so far as luring him upstairs for ulterior motives? Such as smoochy-time or a more private talk about it?
I understand the extrapolation that Martin is being artificial based on his lack of darning porn (as in porn that sends you to Heck, not this), but I think it's more likely that he's not incredibly simple, and may honestly be uncomfortable with the subject of his porn viewing around Dora. Might have something to do with his mother, that could be incredibly complex or simple in a myriad of possible ways. Maybe he's finding more satisfaction with porn than Dora lately; maybe Dora's inability to learn and understand him after all this time is getting to him. His insecurity about their relationship might be boiling underneath his happy, stony exterior.
His anger upon confirming that Dora is not taking his interests as an equal partner seriously* was probably not something he was coldly calculating and building up to on his way to find her. He honestly doesn't seem to have self-control so much as just mellowness (as a personality trait that might be a defensive mechanism) most of the time. And in their healthy relationship supposed-paradigm, he doesn't have an obligation to keep from displaying his emotions in a non-violent way, while she does have the obligation to try to communicate openly instead of not. Or at least notice that he's upset and apologize instead of being defensive and scowly. So she definitely loses points for that reaction.
On the other hand, he could definitely deal with her better, as a partner, so he doesn't gain any points.
And points don't really matter for functioning relationships anyway....
But they should still probably break up, even if they probably won't (permanently). I don't see it, and I never really have. Dora might grow up to the level where they can both grow, up 'til now and until then Martin will just play nursemaid learning the sort of patience that kills the mind. Currently, it's too one-sided for mutual growth. In my oh-so-humble opinion?
* - As a caveat to my gut reaction, it should be noted that Martin made a joke regarding the potential horrific nature of his collection which can be interpreted as the actual reason Dora went to check on it; given how they all joke around and it's almost always comraderie-building, Martin's joke could almost be seen as tacit permission for her to go look. In which case, Martin definitely was setting her up, probably subconsciously.
iduguphergrave:
--- Quote from: Loki on 15 Nov 2010, 02:42 ---Friday: They watch his porn together. Then Dora start singing a song about love and little birdies and squirrels appear out of nowhere and sing along.
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While porn plays loudly in the background. If Disney movies were more like this I'd totally watch them more.
You know I first thought that Dora had a right to know what kind of porn Marten likes, and on some level I still think that (if you hope to have a healthy sexual relationship with someone you should be willing to be open about what excites you), but I do agree that since Marten told her he didn't want her knowing, she was wrong to just go snooping around in his shit. I mean I freak out if a friend goes poking around in my computer without my permission.
Yeah man, this is a bit of unexpected Doradrama after the underpants fiasco; kinda looking forward to seeing where it's going. Also, what the hell is Pintsize talking about in the last panel? Is couples arguing with each other some kind of fetish I'm unaware of?
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