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More than "NOT DORA"
Xenmaru00:
Well see confidence tends to breed control. Confidence breeds focus, which then leads to understanding, which then allows greater control of a subject. What she needs is confidence, confidence in herself, confidence in her relationships, and confidence in the person she's with. from the first two, she'll be able to focus better, to see what's real, and what's just in her head. from there, she'll get what's "wrong" with her (or the other) and will be able to take steps to "fix" it.
You're quite right on the part where she needs to talk to him for them to work, but it wouldnt work in the first place. As shown by today's comic, Marten is fully aware of the pointlessness of the cycle, and gets that everything began with her, and he just accidentally ended it. The reason why Dora talking to Marten wouldnt work, is because, once again, of her Pride. She wont accept anything she did incorrectly, and thus trying to speak with her and balance things out will do nothing except drive them apart further.
Her view of what's "important" is all she sees, as shown by the last two episodes: she doesnt get anyone else's views, and doesnt truly care to. because of this, she wont be able to be spoken to about what "she" is doing improperly, because she'll just perceive it as an "attack" against her person. I know quite a few people with the mindset she has, and they all follow the same predictable pattern. Dora and Marten would work together if Dora didnt have such a powerful destructive problem looming in her subconscious. But she does, and because of it, no matter who she's with, the relationship is on a time limit. She was lucky she was with Marten for so long, because he's an understanding, compassionate, caring guy. Yeah he puts his foot in his mouth sometimes, and he doesnt always say the exact thing he intended to say (though he does usually say the general, and it's just the other person's inability to read between the lines that gets him in trouble), but he's the kinda guy you want both as a best friend, and a lover.
Dora had both at her whim, but she ignored herself. As you said, hannahsaurusrex, she's trying to "fake it till she makes it". But by doing so, she's ignoring the all important truth of herself, which as we've seen, has now apparently doomed her relationship.
I'm honestly hoping they dont get back together until such a time as Dora takes steps to realize she's the cause of her own problems. Even if Marten has to be single for a good while, that's fine. I just hope he doesnt pair back up with Dora any time soon. She's too messed in the head in a way that can only be changed when she desires it to change. which she obviously doesnt.
Also, you probably hear such bland responses like "because they get me" and "because they laugh at my jokes" partially through truth, but also because that's a very loaded question. you're asking what allows their relationship to work, as if there is a single key component. so they're put on the spot and have to grab the first most-truth they can find. alter the question, ask someone "how is it that you've stayed together so long" and see what the response is. depending on how its put and the inflection you'll probably find the responses similar, but you might be surprised. Marten and Dora are very similar to me and my current girlfriend, complete with her mentality issues, and my lack of drive. But after five years, i finally broke through by being fed up with things.
Maybe this'll be the catalyst for her to decide to fix herself, maybe not. And you're right, this probably would fit better in that other topic. that's what i get for not looking around eh?
Olymander:
--- Quote from: Xenmaru00 on 16 Nov 2010, 22:33 --- Wait. Speaking of Raven, where'd she go again? I cant remember.
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As of 1509 and 1510, Raven has been attending college.
On another note, although I'm a strong proponent of "let's just wait and see what happens," I will note that Hannelore has had crazy crush-like and stalker tendencies towards Marten for quite some time now. I've always had the sneaking suspicion that the pretend date and all the other attempts at progress she's been making are some sort of long-range plan to finally "get" Marten...
sirisaacnuton:
--- Quote from: Olymander on 17 Nov 2010, 03:27 ---
On another note, although I'm a strong proponent of "let's just wait and see what happens," I will note that Hannelore has had crazy crush-like and stalker tendencies towards Marten for quite some time now. I've always had the sneaking suspicion that the pretend date and all the other attempts at progress she's been making are some sort of long-range plan to finally "get" Marten...
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She would certainly be the type to put a long-term plan with a lot of initial preparation into place and then follow through.
Xenmaru00:
Lets all hope she doesnt go the way of her mother and begin trying to throw the other potential girlfriends in a volcano.
Parasol:
So, my forever standing opinion is "Fuck Dora," However, that is only because she reminds me of an ex that ended in burning firebally hatred... hell she even looks like her (Caricatured of course).
I will put in my little bit about who i want to see Martin with though.
In my opinion, i'd love to see him with Hanners post-crazy, or at least someone like her... and i know i know, blah blah blah, hanners is awesome blah blah. I agree, i love her.. but it's more of a personality recognition than actually liking her character. She is genuinely kind, thoughtful, well meaning, lovely character. Martin needs someone like that. Not a controlling, bitchy, trust issues lame ass mess that Dora is. Feel free to stomp on me for the Dora hate, but seriously... i fucking hate her.
(And i LOVE that Jeph has written a character that i abhor. It makes for great reading!)
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