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More than "NOT DORA"
Jonesy:
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--- Quote from: Jonesy on 19 Nov 2010, 12:03 --- Marten strikes me as too passive... He was unhappy in the relationship but he got dumped as opposed to confronting Dora and dumping her or at least confronting their issues. Look at Steve, he has been dumped twice and he still picks himself up and gets back to things.
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I'm willing to grant that Marten could have done more to push Dora to get the help she needed to deal with her issues. But I don't think you can argue that he was unhappy in the relationship. There were unhappy moments in the relationship, to be sure, but on the whole Dora and Marten made each other happy. The face in the last panel of 1799 is not the face of a man who's been dumped from a relationship he wanted to get out of.
I also don't see what parallel you're trying to draw with Steve. If your argument is that he rebounds quickly from being dumped - well, Marten just got dumped. We don't know yet how long he'll take to pick himself up and get back to normal.
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My point is that Steve is proactive. When Steve met a girl he liked at a restaurant, he asked her out. When he met Meena and was entranced, he asked her out. Marten mooned over Faye for several months and the talk was prompted by Faye not by Marten. Dora came on to Marten, not the other way around. I'm not saying that Steve is perfect, but he takes the initiative. I can't recall Marten ever doing that.
With respect to Sven, he is the anti-Dora. He has never struggled for anything, nor has he ever had to work for anything. I would argue that a certain amount of adversity is necessary for character development. Until Faye, he never cared one way or the other. He was never intentionally cruel, but rather careless with others. He never had to wonder if a girl he liked was interested in him. He could get laid whenever he wanted with a choice girl. He never had to worry about money. He has a job that he barely works at, that pays him decently, and lets him do whatever he wants. He doesn't have to get up in the mornings, go to work, struggle to get through the day, and come home to crash. I think that Faye is the first girl that dumped him. I suspect that if I had his luck with women and his ability to write shitty country songs and get paid, I would be a pothead who spent all day playing video games and all night at the bars.
I wonder if Marten is going to go on a journey like Steve and Will did?
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 19 Nov 2010, 18:47 ---
--- Quote from: eschaton on 19 Nov 2010, 18:35 ---...how did the Bianchi parents raise two children who are so fucked up?
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Oh, that's the one thing I'd LOVE to know. Doubt Jeph would want to take us there, though.
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Already has. They raised two fucked up children by being too fucked up themselves. I've only known a few pot smokers who stuck with it past the point of having kids, but it gets messy. Kids need your full attention for the first several years, and you need to be alert and on your toes. Doin' weed just isn't conducive to that. You're just not there for them the way they need you to be!
Superkid11:
At least their mom apparently didn't smoke while she was pregnant. Otherwise one of them would have been born a diabolical ambiguously gay mastermind.
Is it cold in here?:
Sven is 28.
Freud defined sanity as the ability to love and to work. Sven's admitted he doesn't know how to have a relationship. Sven makes a living, but it doesn't seem to involve work. A music student was shocked at how little he does.
Lost Coastlines:
Cosette if she was single and less accident-prone. Neither of them make enough to cover her hospital bills once she graduates.
Really though, she was assertive enough to ask him out, but awkward enough to be mortified that he had a girlfriend. She was excited about Steve when Marten gave her his picture, so she probably didn't mope about it too long. That could be a good influence on him. She is as annoyed by irrational jealousy as he is, and they seemed to have some good laughs together at Steve's expense. Too bad she didn't wait a little longer to make her move.
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