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Elder Scrolls V
look out! Ninjas!:
about three hours in when the main quest takes you to the Thalmor embassy and you learn that Stormcloak is secretly a Thalmor asset and the civil war is all about weakening the empire from the inside
and no, i'm not playing it any more. It, like every other TES game, got dull pretty quickly because pretty much everything is the same, and outside of the longer quest chains, nothing means anything beyond whatever small reward you get from it.
look out! Ninjas!:
honestly, i'm considerably more entertained by the caves in Minecraft because, despite only using four different blocks, you never really know what you're going to find when you explore, and your exploring has a significant effect on the surrounding area. The random caves create a real sense that you're actually exploring somewhere, not just hacking through a short series of small rooms to get to the end of it.
LTK:
--- Quote from: look out! Ninjas! on 02 Jan 2012, 02:34 ---about three hours in when the main quest takes you to the Thalmor embassy and you learn that Stormcloak is secretly a Thalmor asset and the civil war is all about weakening the empire from the inside
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Yes, three hours in when you do nothing but the main quest. I put off getting the horn of Jurgen Windcaller for some time because its barrow was reallly out of the way, and I had no quests to do in the area. I did get around to reading their notes on Ulfric, but you need to remember that being an 'asset' doesn't mean he's collaborating with the Thalmor. If anything, he must hate them more than the Empire. After all, if it weren't for the Aldmeri Dominion and their White-Gold Concordat, he'd have a lot fewer reasons to instigate a rebellion. But you're right on the other count: It's in the Thalmor's interest to maintain the state of civil war, and either side winning would allow the Empire (and possibly an independent Skyrim) to fortify themselves against the Aldmeri Dominion.
So if we consider our real enemies to be the Thalmor, then the worst option is to do nothing. Who, then, had we better support?
--- Quote from: look out! Ninjas! on 02 Jan 2012, 02:36 ---honestly, i'm considerably more entertained by the caves in Minecraft because, despite only using four different blocks, you never really know what you're going to find when you explore, and your exploring has a significant effect on the surrounding area. The random caves create a real sense that you're actually exploring somewhere, not just hacking through a short series of small rooms to get to the end of it.
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Yeah, the whole dungeon layout is quickly becoming a trope of itself. Enter, kill the mooks, kill the chief, loot the big chest, and open the secret passage that leads back to the entrance. But even if every cave and barrow follows this layout, they're doing a pretty good job of making the individual locations feel unique rather than just copy-paste jobs from a cave you encountered three hours earlier. I recall critics saying that other Elder Scrolls games were far more guilty of this.
I like exploring caves in Minecraft as well, but I disagree with the notion of 'you don't know what you're going to find'. I know exactly what you're going to find: More caves, more lava, more ores, maybe an abandoned mineshaft, and almost definitely not a stronghold. Minecraft gives you the thrill of going where no man has gone before, which entertained me for more than a year before getting old, but you really can't compare it to exploring an expertly crafted world-stage that is alive with stories both past and ongoing. Even if all you really do is kill the majority of the performers.
I want to mention the thing I found in the glaciers around Winterhold that really cements the feeling that the world of Skyrim has a history. You know what I mean?
(click to show/hide)It was the frozen mammoth that was thawing out of the glacier wall, with Dwarven arrows and spears still sticking out of its hide. Combined with the knowledge that all the Dwarves collectively disappeared ages ago, it was a really powerful moment of reality.
snalin:
I'm at level 56 and still enjoying myself. Some of the lower Dwemer ruins you visit towards the end of the game looks amazing, I've just finished exploring every corner of them. Also finished the main quest, which was cool and all, but I still got more excited when I found (click to show/hide)Keening as a part of another quest, but I guess that's just nostalgia. I also feel kind of too powerful, but I guess that's the danger of having to design the game so it's still playable even if you don't focus your perks to work very well together.
LTK:
--- Quote ---and no, i'm not playing it any more. It, like every other TES game, got dull pretty quickly because pretty much everything is the same, and outside of the longer quest chains, nothing means anything beyond whatever small reward you get from it.
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If you want to play a fantasy RPG that actually gives your actions consequences, play the Witcher 2. It's often mentioned in contrast with Skyrim because of the question of what makes an RPG a role-playing game. Skyrim allows you to go out and have an adventure on your own, or be a hero, or be a heartless criminal, or anything in between, but the breath of possible experiences excludes the depth of immersion in your particular role. You can be the most wanted criminal in all the holds of Skyrim, but other bandits will still attack you just the same. The Witcher 2 puts you in a predefined role in a Deus Ex style staged open world, but allows you to fill in this role in with your own moral nuances. This approach really resonated with me, and got me thinking about my actions and personal goals much more than a game where you just go around doing what people tell you to.
Snalin, what's the name of the quest? I want to know if I can open the spoiler. :angel:
Oh, I forgot to mention: On the Skyrim map that came with my boxed edition, there are red crosses on certain locations. I've sought one of them out and found a shipwreck. The other crosses might be shipwrecks as well, or they can be something else entirely. Does anyone else have the map to look for them?
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