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WCDT 29 Nov-3 Dec (1806-1810)
O8h7w:
--- Quote from: akronnick on 03 Dec 2010, 12:32 ---I have a theory about how this will play out that is so awesome that I will not describe it here because I do not want it to not happen.
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Good of you, akronnick, I really hope whatever you are plotting actually will happen. And if it doesn't, please let us know about your theory, will you? (There should be a puppydog-eyed emoticon here) Also, I sincerely hope that you're not going to hell... :-)
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Sure did azurite write an awesome post, but I do think iduguphergrave has a good point. (I tend to do that a little too often, I know) Marten has not been all that passive, and I feel that he has improved greatly over the length of the relationship. Over the length of the whole comic, actually. I'm guessing there will be interesting talks between Marten and his mom now.
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Last but not least:
Ceterum censeo, I badly want the Dora backstory. Which now must happen with the therapist, right?
muffin_of_chaos:
--- Quote from: azurite on 03 Dec 2010, 10:02 ---Marten, on the other hand, never seemed actively invested in their relationship.
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Error.
Marten was definitely invested in the relationship he thought they had. Marten doesn't do what I or you might do in a committed relationship, but always seemed willing to do what it would take, as long as he knew what it was. It was not like he knew that Dora had such an issue with the Faye dynamic. It wasn't like Dora ever asked him to change his situation, and we can't assume he stressed enough about the relationship for it to occur to him that he should without Dora's input. Sometimes one doesn't know what one's relationship actually is; sometimes one doesn't know who it really is one has a relationship with.
Ignorance or idealism isn't the relationship killer...refusing to communicate and try to rectify inevitable differences is.
But you're right, in that Miss Reed will in all likelihood not antagonize Dora. Probably won't even go to see her (though they might bump into each other for dramatic/comedic effect).
Dora made some bad decisions regarding the relationship (which is functionally different from making no decisions ala Marten), and basically ruined the chances of fixing/making it stronger with unearned mistrust that she didn't actually attempt to get over (by, for instance, communicating with Marten or anyone about her needs/fears/whatnot). But that is her privilege and wont as part of a two-person partnership, especially if Marten's life is stalled so much that he doesn't initiate much in the relationship.
Veronica said that she thinks of Marten as a grown man, and she was perfectly nice to Faye except for the one threat (that was obviously half or more facetious). The most she could possibly take issue with are Dora's actual actions when she was jealous/paranoid, or specifically only the porn-search (since the others were ameliorated). Which very few people would think matters that much.
But Dora still needs a reality-check. Not necessarily a harsh one, but Veronica's would be funny.
raoullefere:
--- Quote from: AngelofShadows on 03 Dec 2010, 12:16 ---
--- Quote from: azurite on 03 Dec 2010, 10:02 ---Why on earth would Veronica go whoop-ass on Dora?! It wasn't like Dora cheated on Marten, strung him along, or was abusive--she just couldn't deal with her insecurities about Faye (and gee, I mean, it's not like Marten was living with Faye or had a huge crush on her for any significant amount of time, it's not like everything they did socially as a couple had Faye in the room too, and we certainly saw Marten doing everything he could to make Dora feel like she was his first choice, like how they got their own place together to start fresh, and remember that amazing strip where he finally said "I love you"?.... Oh. Wait.) That's not so much hurting Marten as it is "being the other half of a relationship between two flawed people that ended with both people getting hurt." There's a huge difference.
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Parent Logic. Protect your own. And when your own happens to be your only one, it tends to amplify it a bit. I disagree on your thoughts about the relationship coming to an and and your thoughts on Marten, but that's not the point. You could point out how both parties are victims till you are blue in the face, the fact is, All Marten's Mom is probably gonna hear is "Some Girl hurt my son, my only son. Now I have to hurt her."
Her threat to Faye when she thought that Faye was gonna eventually date Marten, topped with the fact that she's flying out so, uhm, instantly, after hearing the news makes me think that There will be fear spread to Dora. I'd be surprised if there wasn't. :psyduck: <-my surprise face.
I would be pumped if, in an effort to Save Dora (or assume she'd need saving and panic), Hanners Calls her mom in to help handle this.
What? I can't be the only person who thinks that a Coffee Shop Match to the Death between Marten and Hanners Mom would be awesome.
THERE HAS TO BE OTHERS!
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As I said before, Veronica threatened Faye because what Faye was doing could be seen as leading Marten on, using him for a security blanket and a place to stay before Faye found what she thought was a better guy, at which point she'd dump Marten. And I can certainly understand Veronica making that sort of threat. Dora, on the other hand, is clearly doing this to herself, and Marten is merely caught up in her self-sucking maelstrom—she's far more damaged by all this than Marten, who simply needs to learn from the experience. Veronica may not like that this happened, but any mature person looking at Dora and what she's doing to herself could only feel pity, and it was her son's, the grown man, job to get himself out of it or not, not his mother's.
What's going to put the hurt on Dora is whatever she conjures up to punish herself, based on what she sees in Veronica (just like she 'saw' Marten's pining for Faye). Ms. Reed very likely won't have to do a blessed thing. Of course, I suppose she could add herself to Faye's Therapy Threat Squad. That might be genuinely helpful.
Of course, it might be time for a 'Get on with your life and freaking DO something" speech to Marten, which, I suppose might be what someone meant by Marten being 'doomed'. That's a rather of immature way to look at it, though.
Death match? Yes, you're the only one.
Loki:
--- Quote from: Mr_Rose on 03 Dec 2010, 06:05 ---
--- Quote ---Here is a question, did Veronica ever actually meet Dora in person, except that one time?
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Other than that time they had lunch together you mean?
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Uh, thanks, I should have thought of going a few pages back.
Since there are ships being thrown around wildly, what about Taironica? Think about it. Veronica is just about to bust Dora's ass, then Tai walks in, effectively saving Dora from the UHMC (You hurt my cub)-wrath, because Veronica INSTANTLY falls in love with her and forgets everything she wanted to say. Later, they fight space wizards.
--- Quote ---What? I can't be the only person who thinks that a Coffee Shop Match to the Death between Marten and Hanners Mom would be awesome
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Nope, you aren't. But I think it would be over soon. Hannermom has enough money to have a full body suit made from Mithril or anything of similar quality.
kiss-o-kill:
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
MY MAIN BITCH IS COMING BACK
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