Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT: 6-10 Dec 2010 (1811-1815)
Afakaz:
--- Quote from: Boomslang on 09 Dec 2010, 01:30 ---Yeah, this is really cute and all, it's genuinely touching, but I'd like to see just a smidge of concern for Marten. Really, Dora does not have any sort of right to feel sorry for herself, no one had any input or control over this besides her, and if she had gotten any advice from any of her friends, they'd have told her not to, or at least told her to do it way different.
I can assume she feels guilty over how much she hurt Marten right now, but it's not being shown. It really does feel like now that she's broken up with him, he no longer exists, and it's just poor little Dora alone in the world. It's only been a day, but it seems like she's 'gotten over' Marten the person already, and is only grieving for the way her life was before she decided to change it.
This is the problem with severely limited omniscience, there's a lot of stuff that's probably going on, but since we don't see it, it's hard to be sure exactly what exists and what doesn't except when the cast mentions it. And Jeph really is striking what may be the best balance of getting on with the story, cracking jokes, and showing what's going on. Unfortunately we can't get Jephs of different dimensions and have them draw comics in parrallel, which would be the only possible way to solve that dilemma.
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Her neurosis, which I can only assume, as a sufferer of same, that she is at least somewhat self-conscious about, has caused her to drive away a man she really cares about. She knows she was not thinking rationally and that is very upsetting, that loss of control. She is dealing with psychological issues well above and beyond simple "I just had to break up with someone boo hoo", and I think that's what she feels sorry for herself for. That's my take, anyway.
Boomslang:
--- Quote from: Afakaz on 09 Dec 2010, 01:55 ---Her neurosis, which I can only assume, as a sufferer of same, that she is at least somewhat self-conscious about, has caused her to drive away a man she really cares about. She knows she was not thinking rationally and that is very upsetting, that loss of control. She is dealing with psychological issues well above and beyond simple "I just had to break up with someone boo hoo", and I think that's what she feels sorry for herself for. That's my take, anyway.
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You're probably right, but that doesn't make the current dialogue any less self-oriented. It's almost like she's married her neuroses, and was cheating on them with Marten, and now the affair is over and she's going back to be with her mental equivalent of an abusive spouse, and that's somehow 'back to normal'. As I write this, I'm actually starting to feel sorry for her.
I'm also worried that Dora is going to 'move on' faster than Marten's prepared for. Notice she's not the one trying to visit blackoutland, and instead is focusing on getting on with the rest of her life. And Dora's really bad issues are Marten specific; they're not going to stop her from getting involved with someone else whenever she finds someone she likes. Marten, on the other hand, is probably developing NEW issues because of all this, I don't see him actually getting involved in a relationship for a long time, because he's lost all sense of control of his own life.
I'm reading too much into everything, and I can't freaking help it.
snubnose:
I too am heftily wondering where this is all going.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: Boomslang on 09 Dec 2010, 02:24 ---I'm reading too much into everything, and I can't freaking help it.
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By no means - and from being in a somewhat similar situation (long ago), I think Marten's reaction is being well shown so far.
O8h7w:
--- Quote from: Boomslang on 09 Dec 2010, 02:24 ---
--- Quote from: Afakaz on 09 Dec 2010, 01:55 ---Her neurosis, which I can only assume, as a sufferer of same, that she is at least somewhat self-conscious about, has caused her to drive away a man she really cares about. She knows she was not thinking rationally and that is very upsetting, that loss of control. She is dealing with psychological issues well above and beyond simple "I just had to break up with someone boo hoo", and I think that's what she feels sorry for herself for. That's my take, anyway.
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You're probably right, but that doesn't make the current dialogue any less self-oriented. It's almost like she's married her neuroses, and was cheating on them with Marten, and now the affair is over and she's going back to be with her mental equivalent of an abusive spouse, and that's somehow 'back to normal'. As I write this, I'm actually starting to feel sorry for her.
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These two comments are both spot-on, in my humble opinion... But I would like to add that this is (probably) just the day after the breakup, and we shouldn't really expect anyone to react reasonably sane and rational just yet. Also, I like to think that rather soon there will be a little distance to the whole thing - and they will be able to be friends again.
Maybe these thoughts are just a projection of how I hope that real life will work... remember, I don't really have any experience with these matters.
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