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WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
Dr. ROFLPWN:
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--- Quote from: Odin on 15 Dec 2010, 05:22 ---You might want to read up on the difference between guys that are genuinely nice and Nice Guys.
More reading here
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There's a serious terminology issue there, that I think causes a lot of problems. Many people who rant about Nice Guys say nice guys instead, and literal people will take that at face value, i.e. guys who are nice to other people. And that's definitely not what they mean. So the use of a new term really would be appropriate.
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I nominate the term "spineless dickheads", because, well, call things what they are. And we all know that the mental voice that tells us to do creepy passive-aggressive shit is spineless and dickheady, so...yeah.
I don't think Marten's unsalvageable though, and y'all folks may be overreacting just a tad. :P
EDIT: Fucking autocorrect. Fix'd.
--- Quote from: galarant on 15 Dec 2010, 05:41 ---You know, Faye is constantly threatening violence (sometimes committing violence) and it's always depicted as so adorable and she always gets a pass because "that's just Faye" or whatever. So when men are violent it's horrific and when women are violent it's cute? Seems kind of sexist and condescending to me.
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Oh hey look it's This Argument Again! Ha ha WOO!
snubnose:
--- Quote from: raoullefere on 15 Dec 2010, 03:23 ---Wow. He finally actually deserved her hitting him.
Don't be too pissed at him, Faye. Dude's in pain. Well, now he's really in pain, but you know what I mean.
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Jupp, that is a first.
--- Quote from: JackFaerie on 15 Dec 2010, 03:39 ---Did not handle what well? The punching? I have always hated when she punched Marten in earlier strips (NOT play punching, regardless of how she "intended" it and the fact that Marten put up with it--it would regularly leave serious bruises that lasted several days and were apparently painful, let alone the times he has indeed knocked him to the floor), but in this case I'd agree it was self-defense. And probably best for Marten to just end the night there, rather than running the risk of whatever else he might do.
Or did you mean the entire Marten situation? Because while she did not handle the lead-up, what with the sometime-flirting and the occasional taking-advantage of his attraction to her, she handled Marten's confession as well as one could be expected to. No person in the world owes it to another person to be romantically interested in them. Neither do they owe it to them to be in an appropriate state to be romantically receptive. Someone (let's say person X) can be not ready for a relationship when person A asks, but then be ready for a relationship with person B, and while that may not be "fair" that is not something done to person A, but simply the way things are. It has to do with person X, not person A. In other words: it's not about Marten.
Also, the way he brought up "my girlfriend dumped me" definitely sounds very dismissive of the actual value of his relationship with Dora. It makes it sound like he just wanted a girlfriend, any girlfriend, and basically saw Dora as the means of getting "there"--ie, her value to her was just her interchangeable role as "girlfriend" rather than as Dora, and now he's pissed that he's no longer in possession of "girlfriend," which is something he seems to feel entitled to for being a "nice guy" (as far as his words here--not saying he would put it that way if he were sober). Obviously, the fact that he got to spend over a year in a stable relationship that gave him a lot of pleasure while Faye's situation was far less comfortable isn't entering his drunk mind here.
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Puuuh. Good thing I'm apparently not the only one who remembers how awfully hard Faye hits ! Judging from some posts, many people here have completely forgotten about it.
I dont count it as self defense either. Marten is helpless. He would already collapse if she just pushed him a bit.
Instead she starts one of her beatings, which at this point is sadistic.
There is really no such thing as self defense against a helpless person. Thats like beating up a child "self defense". Self defense requires that someone is threatening your life or your health.
And yeah of course everything Marten is b-shit, I dont think anyone here would claim otherwise.
--- Quote from: xerada on 15 Dec 2010, 04:06 ---what the hell? I didn't think Marten would ever let that kind of thing happen, but, reading back, he sometimes got kinda really drunk, and didn't handle the situations... the best way.
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I dont think that situation has much to do with this one.
--- Quote from: xerada on 15 Dec 2010, 04:06 ---And does this confession mean he just put up a happy face when Faye had her "relationship" with Sven? As far as I remember, he even defended her against Dora, but also mentioned his not being angry had something to do with the hot, hot Dora-sexin'.
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Uh, how weird. So you really believe people who just poisoned their brains so large parts dont work any more are "confessing" things ?
I think Marten is stone drunk and unable to think clearly. He's definitely unable to think coherently about what he really wants and his approach to Faye lacks any logic whatsoever.
I consider the happy Marten back with Dora much, much more honest and being himself than the stone drunk and deeply depressed Marten right now.
--- Quote from: xerada on 15 Dec 2010, 04:06 ---Eh, I don't think it will be that hard. Faye's honest, she doesn't put up with that kind of behaviour, but she also knows that she owes Marten big time, and that he's in a real bad place now. She'll be there for him as she was for Dora, angry or not.
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Agreed. There is no way Faye can possibly be suppressed by Marten. She's a strong woman, always has been, very likely even physically stronger than Marten.
--- Quote from: bhtooefr on 15 Dec 2010, 04:36 ---You know, 1818 brings up an interesting point.
What if Dora was right about her insecurities?
Then again, this is Marten, and going with the flow of staying with Dora would've been the easier option that he probably would've taken...
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Again, I think Marten in his drunk state is too confused to think straight - and copies Doras way of thinking even if he would never do that with his brain fully operational.
--- Quote from: someone1074 on 15 Dec 2010, 05:03 ---I'm highly tempted to just post a youtube link to M. Bison's "Yes! Yes!" video...but I don't think anyone does that sort of thing on these forums.
I'll just say I found this development highly entertaining and, at the same time, reasonable considering his situation and degree of inebriation. Pretty sure he'll regret it when he sobers up and pretty sure Faye will be understanding, cause she's been generally supportive throughout this whole ordeal.
Keep it up, Jeph.
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I'm happy you think that. I think this is roughly the way things will develop.
--- Quote from: Odin on 15 Dec 2010, 05:22 ---You might want to read up on the difference between guys that are genuinely nice and Nice Guys.
More reading here
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Marten has been a real nice guy for most of the comic.
The very moment he steps over a border for once, while being extremely drunk and being extremely depressed, you already are willing to throw him into the deepest pits of hell for that !??
--- Quote from: ErrantCanadian on 15 Dec 2010, 05:27 ---I found this episode... not out of character for Marten.
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Really ? I was hella surprised by this turn. Thats not the Marten I know.
someone1074:
--- Quote from: ErrantCanadian on 15 Dec 2010, 05:45 ---OK, I've been reading this comic for like two years and lurking on the forum for the past month. Bring it.
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He's joking. It was a veiled reference to the last topic that closed where many new users posted comments that were considered abrasive to the forum's primary clique. You're fine.
Also,
--- Quote from: galarant on 15 Dec 2010, 05:41 ---You know, Faye is constantly threatening violence (sometimes committing violence) and it's always depicted as so adorable and she always gets a pass because "that's just Faye" or whatever. So when men are violent it's horrific and when women are violent it's cute? Seems kind of sexist and condescending to me.
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Not sure where you've been, but a LOT of people had a problem with Faye's use of violence throughout the comic. This seemed pretty reasonable though, considering her issues and Marten being a bit of a dick. Also, if he really minded the light beatings, he probably wouldn't take them with a smile as he has throughout the strip.
bhtooefr:
--- Quote from: Boomslang on 15 Dec 2010, 05:22 ---There's a serious terminology issue there, that I think causes a lot of problems. Many people who rant about Nice Guys say nice guys instead, and literal people will take that at face value, i.e. guys who are nice to other people. And that's definitely not what they mean. So the use of a new term really would be appropriate.
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Maybe, rather than capitalizing it ala TV Tropes (yes, I know, that's not where the capitalization came from,) use quotation marks around nice. And, emphasize the quotation marks using air quotes and/or a mocking tone when saying it IRL.
tbones:
--- Quote from: ErrantCanadian on 15 Dec 2010, 05:45 ---OK, I've been reading this comic for like two years and lurking on the forum for the past month. Bring it.
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No! You missunderstand me!
It's not that you posted something that'd make all the users get angry at you, but a few weeks ago, (when Marten and Dora broke up) there was a rampage in this forum, with hundreds, and i mean HUNDREDS of post starting with: "first time poster, i want to say that [.....]" and then someone denunced another guy 'cause he didn't like the opinion, and the thread got locked out.... A real mess.
What i said was merelly a joke refering that situation, i don't think that kind of mess can repeat it self... Right?
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geez guys! :P
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Hey! Come on! Let me post! :psyduck:
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