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WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
Border Reiver:
At this point Marten has now hit the nadir of the post-relationship slump (hopefully) and now he gets to start picking himself up and doning what needs to be done - apologizing to the people he's been a dick to, thanking his friends (including Faye, cause it's a good friend that gives you the smack you need, even if you don't know you need it at the time) and getting on with life.
someone1074:
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 15 Dec 2010, 06:17 ---Yes, Marten has just been dickish, but at the same time, he has every right to be.
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Nope.
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 15 Dec 2010, 06:17 ---So if he can’t be happy, why the fuck should they?
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And oh ho ho ho...certainly not.
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 15 Dec 2010, 06:17 ---He has done it with a smile on his face and offered a shoulder for friends to lean on. And now, when he needs one for himself, he finds nothing.
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And then you contradict yourself by providing great examples of people trying to help him. What exactly are they supposed to do, suck his dick? They're being there for him in ways that are well within their character. Also, keep in mind that Faye has already made some effort to repair the ruined relationship (be it friendship or more) by getting Dora the help she needs. At this time, Faye's done the most to help Marten.
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 15 Dec 2010, 06:17 ---At a time when Marten needed his friends, there is no one around to comfort him. So like I’ve said, yes, Marten is being a dick, but damn it if he doesn’t deserve to act like one.
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Absolutely not, as mentioned above. Dealing with this better would show strength of character. While his actions are completely understandable and many of us should be able to sympathize with him...it doesn't make him right in this. Lashing out at your closest friends and being self-destructive? Hard to say that it's ever 'right' or 'deserved' IMO.
Now if you just meant that his actions are understandable, then I withdraw most of my statements.
Irenfrea:
QC got back to the basics! (Faye punching Marten)
Now seriously, I bet that he's getting a serious lecture from the Grand Bitch (aka Mrs. Veronica Reed)
Dr. ROFLPWN:
Okay, I...I will tell you, as a man who used to drink very regularly, alcohol does not "free" you from jack shit. It lowers your inhibitions, yes, but at the same time it poisons the emotional and logical centers of your brain in equal measure. Every time I gave tried to say something true while drunk, it was warped by the fact that I was fucking drunk. And woe betide me if I was upset about anything or worried about anything, because that was amplified up to the proverbial Eleven.
Drunk words are the sober thoughts of one's, as Akima put it, selfish inner two-year-old for whom everything is me, me, me. Alcohol is not a fucking mind freedom device, it is a brain poison. Faye is talking to a man with a poisoned brain.
IronSoul89:
I honestly think EvilDog brought up some good points here. It's really easy to say that Marten was a dick and in the same situation we'd all do the right thing, but that ain't realistic and it ain't human. The fact of the matter is that Marten has bottled up a lot of shit lately, to add to the list EvilDog started, even when Marten was happy with his girlfriend, he still had to defend his honor from her anxieties, when he had done nothing to warrant suspicion. That gets really insulting after a while.
As for Faye, from his point of view, which is probably half borboun induced, but also half completely sober bitterness, Faye turned him down cuz of her crazy, fucked up past, and it seriously upset him. The only thing that kept that from being worse is that Dora moved in on him, he already liked her, if not quite the way Dora had through the entire story arc, and she helped him move on from Fae by being there for him. Now Dora's dumped him on his ass, largely due to her anxieties. Where did those anxieties come from?
Her crazy, fucked up past.
And Marten's tired of being tossed into the shitter because of things he has never done or never would, but now he has to put up with what Tai does: being surrounded by happy couples while he's alone, dumped on his ass, and seriously hurt because of it. Only there's one really important difference between them. To our current knowledge, Tai has never really had the chance to get involved with someone she had a genuine thing for, so she's never really lost a close relationship. Marten has.
If we count Faye, twice.
So ultimately Marten's dealing not just with being alone, but with a severe sense of loss, and considering Marten hasn't had the best luck in finding a woman (in his only real relationship, Dora came to him), there's gotta be that feeling that there's no end in sight, and as EvlDog mentioned, Marten has very little other compensation in life. At this current stage, neither Marten's emotional life, or practical life, show any signs of improvement, where everywhere else people are soaring up to better things somehow.
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