Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
azurite:
1) Sorry, can't see that right hand in the third panel. It's kind of angled toward Faye's special area, and dude, NOT OKAY. Drunk friend, even drunk best friend, starts spewing out entitlement garbage about how he "paved the way" for other guys to fuck me then starts with the "gimme a kiss" and wandering hands, that has the potential to be frightening. It's not rape, of course it isn't, but that would be traumatizing (or triggering) for a lot of people; it might even have a long-term impact on my ability to trust that friend, rationally justified or not.
2) Even without a crotch grab, responding to a gentle shove and "you're being a dick" with "Oh yeah? That's what you like" doesn't indicate that is an individual who is going to take no for an answer. At that point, whatever you need to do to disable the guy from pushing the issue further, relative to the situation. A slap is justified. Shoving him away is justified. Immediately leaving the apartment is justified. Knocking him out is justified. Punching him more than once would've been extreme. Beating on him more than necessary to disable further advances would've been extreme. Homicide, that would've been extreme.
3) This is, however, the point where Faye finds Steven's phone number, gets a MALE friend to babysit Marten ASAP, and heads back over to Angus'. What Marten just did was damn disrespectful as well as a hefty violation of boundaries they'd worked hard to establish. If Faye needs to get away from Marten at least until he sobers back up, she should do it. From their established relationship, they'll probably apologize to each other in the morning, with Marten acknowledging that Faye kept the situation from getting any worse and Faye acknowledging that punching him in the face was a little harsh, but all the same, she doesn't want to see her friend mess up his life with booze, like she almost did. Jokes will be made about the bourbon monster, I'm sure.
4) Marten got wasted when he knew he was in a dangerous place. He also knew that Faye would probably be home later that night. Look: alcohol doesn't transform you into a strange new person you have no previous acquaintance with, it brings behaviors you are normally able to repress to the surface. You're still responsible for who you are when you are drunk--AT THE VERY LEAST, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING DRUNK IN THE FIRST PLACE. Hanners told him it wasn't a good idea; Faye, who is not being hypocritical as much as speaking from experience, told him it was a terrible idea. (P.S.: sixteen words does not a lecture make.) And it was. A Terrible. Idea. That boy earned himself a shiner!
4) If Dora seems to be getting more support (...I'm not sure she is, but I'm gonna go with it to make this point) ...it's because she's been more receptive. If hesitantly, she accepted Faye's offer for a reference to a therapist. She's talking about what happened openly with her brother. She's not locking doors and numbing her pain with booze. She's working on herself and making necessary changes to her life. Marten will get there eventually, but right now, he's not dealing with his pain in a very mature way. That is going to alienate his friends.
AnAverageWriter:
--- Quote from: GeoffTheLlama on 15 Dec 2010, 10:25 ---I took it as a reference to him downing a whole bottle of bourbon.
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I would have as well, if Faye's statement hadn't been a muttered response to the sound thrashing she gave him. He didn't pass out- he was soundly walloped out.
Smoot:
--- Quote from: Odin on 15 Dec 2010, 09:05 ---
--- Quote from: Wiregeek on 15 Dec 2010, 09:03 ---
--- Quote ---A concussion on top of a bottle of bourbon could very easily mean you pass out and never wake up.
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And wouldn't that be a pisser over the next hundred comics or so.
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Marten dies, comic lives on. I could totally see it happening and becoming a much better comic because of it
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Heh. Marten dies, comic barely slows down. People making inappropriate comments and stream-of-consciousness jokes when they find he's not moving. Wisecracking coroners joking bawdily about rigor mortis. People divvying up his record collection and making indie jokes. Yeah, I can kinda see that happening. ;)
tHEfOOL:
--- Quote from: no one special on 15 Dec 2010, 02:54 --- Who's Faye's gonna lean on now? She doesn't know Angus well enough yet, and she sure as hell can't tell Dora about this. Who's left?
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Hanners?
--- Quote from: someone1074 on 15 Dec 2010, 05:03 ---I'm highly tempted to just post a youtube link to M. Bison's "Yes! Yes!" video...but I don't think anyone does that sort of thing on these forums.
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go right ahead, i'm still waiting to see Angus go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR44oOYjvOw about his relationship with Faye
LeeC:
--- Quote from: azurite on 15 Dec 2010, 10:29 ---1) Sorry, can't see that right hand in the third panel. It's kind of angled toward Faye's special area, and dude, NOT OKAY. Drunk friend, even drunk best friend, starts spewing out entitlement garbage about how he "paved the way" for other guys to fuck me then starts with the "gimme a kiss" and wandering hands, that has the potential to be frightening. It's not rape, of course it isn't, but that would be traumatizing (or triggering) for a lot of people; it might even have a long-term impact on my ability to trust that friend, rationally justified or not.
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woaw woaw woaw, this is marten we are talking about, theres no way in a million years he is touching her crouch in panel 3.
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