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WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
MrCorvin:
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--- Quote from: Laminator_X on 15 Dec 2010, 10:49 --- She's no delicate flower; she's hands-down the toughest kid on the block.
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Agreeing overall with your point here, but am I just misremembering things? Because, my 'toughness heirarchy' for the main characters goes Dora-> Faye> (Justabouteveryoneelse. OnEarth.)->Marten. I mean, we've seen Faye actually scared of Dora at one point, right?
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Scared and physically tough or two different things.
On that scale of psychological fear, it would even have Marten's Mom > Everyone else > Marten.
raoullefere:
--- Quote from: The Duke on 15 Dec 2010, 10:07 ---
--- Quote from: The Seldom Killer on 15 Dec 2010, 03:28 ---Note to self: worry hats are a useless defence against girly punching.
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Nothing girly about it.
--- Quote from: Mojo on 15 Dec 2010, 07:21 ---Well, seems to me Dora was actually RIGHT to an extent. Marten is betraying a little flame for Faye here.
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Nah, I'd say it's a simpler "I'm drunk, she's hot" situation, although I could be wrong.
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Replace 'hot' with 'handy' and I think you've got it. Thank god Hanners left when she did. She really might've accidentally killed him. Or not accidentally, if she had one of her 'moments.'
And anyone else see Faye giving payback for when Marten overdid it ragging her about her drinking? Way back when—pre-Faye and Sven.
Hey, that rhymes…
GeoffTheLlama:
--- Quote from: Laminator_X on 15 Dec 2010, 10:49 ---
--- Quote from: azurite on 15 Dec 2010, 10:29 ---2) Even without a crotch grab, responding to a gentle shove and "you're being a dick" with "Oh yeah? That's what you like" doesn't indicate that is an individual who is going to take no for an answer. At that point, whatever you need to do to disable the guy from pushing the issue further, relative to the situation. A slap is justified. Shoving him away is justified. Immediately leaving the apartment is justified. Knocking him out is justified. Punching him more than once would've been extreme. Beating on him more than necessary to disable further advances would've been extreme. Homicide, that would've been extreme.
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Jumping straight from "hand on his sternum" to "knocking him out" (if that is how it went) is not at all justified. She escalated straight to "risking brain damage or death" level of violence against somebody whose "frail indie-rock physique" is barely strong enough to hold up an unconscious Hanners. His actions clearly warranted a physical response at that point, but lets not give Faye a pass here. She's no delicate flower; she's hands-down the toughest kid on the block.
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Can we please stop with the whole 'let's demonize overly-abusive Faye' thing now? Please?
It wasn't just how he was touching her, it was everything he was saying in tandem with making the move. I'm more than willing to accept that Faye can be a bully, but Marten hit Creep Factor 5 right there. He was already demonstrating behavior she wasn't familiar with - who the hell knows what else he was going to pull out of his magic hat? At least that's what might have been going through her head. Hell, it would have been going through mine.
Also, homicide? Really? Really?
LeeC:
I agree Geoffthellama, some people are taking this way too far, its like they want the cops called on either of them. Like when a lawyer makes his client wear bandages and a sling for a harmless scrape.
mira:
--- Quote from: cmdrfalafel on 15 Dec 2010, 09:03 ---Re: how sad this is
Same here - this was a heartbreaking strip to read. For me, even more so than the breakup. I'm having trouble speculating about the ramifications in future strips because I can't quite figure out how seriously this will be treated. I think it's because today defied by expectations for QC so much (not in a bad way... just in a... um, defying way).
(back to lurk-and-continued-observations)
(oh, hi, this is a bummer of a first post ever here)
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Yeah, I agree. I think that this is sad but also reasonable and over due.
I have thought for a long time that Martin was too passive, almost emotionless, about Faye. It was as if he decided, in a purely intellectual sense, he didn't have an issue with her rejecting him, and shoved his emotions about it aside. He did it because he felt it was the nice, reasonable thing to do. So he decided he'd go for Dora. Martin, if anything, doesn't want to be alone. But he was never 100% honest, even with himself, about his feelings about it all-including the fall out from that decision. It sucks that it takes being utterly inebriated and hurting for him to spit it out.
Why the hell did Faye put him off and then start sleeping with Swen? Why is she now OK with a relationship with Angus? It's not illogical to think it's because, at least in part, Martin's been a good friend to her and has helped her sort her stuff out. Martin took her at face value, and gave her up because she wasn't up to having a relationship. He attempted to move on, shoving his feelings for her aside and exploring his feelings for Dora.
Then, Faye starts going for other guys as soon as he does.
Yeah, that would make anyone wonder. It comes back to "Why wasn't it me?". Now he's dumped, and Faye has her new boyfriend. The snark says "I've been used." And I wonder if in some sense he hasn't.
Now he's been terribly inappropriate-possibly attempting to grope Faye and definitely saying things he shouldn't. This could spin up to losing his "best friend". But I want to know who's gonna stop and give some grace to Marty-the guy that gives it out to everyone else? And is he going to learn to be himself, and speak up without resentment being the fuel?
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