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WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
Coffee_Kaioken:
how fucking continuous is this going to get
iduguphergrave:
Your icon has perfect synergy with your post. Just sayin :lol:
Somnus Eternus:
--- Quote from: ChibiSoma on 15 Dec 2010, 20:05 ---I think I'm starting to like New Marten. He still got his drunk ass knocked out, but he's venting finally. Bet that one was building up for a loooooong god damn time. Totally all true. Faye spilled her guts and then started making out with every boy that wasn't Marten or Steve. THAT IS A DICK MOVE! You cannot claim it isn't. Eat an umbrella stand's worth of dickbrooms, it is a dick move.
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The hell?
Funny, I seem to remember Faye repeatedly telling Marten it wasn't going to happen even before The Talk, then during The Talk telling him not to wait for her, and then shortly (almost immediately actually) after The Talk, Marten started dating Dora. It wasn't until a little while after that that Faye ended up having her thing with Sven, which took her as much by surprise as anyone else. After that blew up in her face, I seem to recall her still having serious misgivings for quite a stretch of time before she agreed to start seeing Angus, and that was pretty stop and go for a while until they got a handle on things. Of course, through all of this, Marten was still with Dora.
So please, please tell me: at what point did Faye start making out with every boy that wasn't Marten or Steve? More importantly, at what point did she commit herself solely to Marten once her problems were dealt with? When the hell did Faye make any sort of promise to Marten at all?
And OF COURSE it was all Marten that helped her work through her problems. Therapy? Pfft. The whole thing with Sven teaching her important life lessons? Pish tosh. Clearly, it was all Marten's doing.
That was some grade-A slut-shaming and entitlement you had going there, though. After all, everyone knows that every girl is supposed to just pine after the guy who originally declared his feelings for her regardless of his relationship status and never move on.
Dick moves though, right? Right. You just stay classy.
ETA:
--- Quote from: Razgriz on 15 Dec 2010, 20:00 --- With that in mind, it's pretty much 'I helped you out, now make out with me'. That isn't sexual assault/harassment.
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Yes. Yes, that is, in fact, sexual harassment. It's probably one of the best examples of sexual harassment you could have given.
Overkillengine:
--- Quote from: Armadillo on 15 Dec 2010, 20:23 ---Dear Internet,
A few years ago, a friend of mine went through a drawn-out situation at his work that mirrored the situation we see here with Marten and Faye, at least in how the characters are viewed by people on the outside of a given situation. It has nothing to do with drinking or sex though, so it's not quite as fun, but bear with me anyway. There's a point on the other side of this.
So my friend was working as a security guard at a fairly major corporate headquarters as a college job. He's the kind of guy who you'd trust with anything in your life: watching your house while you're on vacation, getting your mail, watching your kids, driving you to the hospital as your aorta tears, and so on. He's the most trustworthy, responsible person I've ever known. Anyways, he was on time to his job without fail, always in full, perfectly cleaned and ironed uniform, ready to go, and never got so much as a "Very Good" on a performance review. The person who would relieve him at midnight, however, was a walking, talking, 175-pound sack of worthless shit. He'd ROUTINELY be 1-2 hours late for his shift with no warning call, would often show up out of uniform (one time he came in wearing his shirt that had a huge ketchup stain on it, sweatpants, and ONE FLIP-FLOP.) I swear to God I'm not making any of this up.
It took this stumblefuck mess of a man being FOUR HOURS LATE to his job on multiple occasions before the bosses gave him so much as a verbal warning, and then after that, no follow-up whatsoever. In contrast, my friend got caught in traffic ONE TIME, resulting in him being a whopping fifteen minutes late. For this transgression, he was called into a meeting and threatened with termination, even though it was his first incident and he called ahead to give fair warning. The reasoning given for the much harsher reaction was that "the 4-12 shift is more important than the 12-8 shift, because you deal directly with the client and your relief doesn't."
So, to sum up:
1) Punctual, professional, excellent worker is fifteen minutes late one time = job threatened.
2) A completely unprofessional, chronically late, irresponsible jackass is late almost every night = nothing but a "talking-to."
Here's how this relates to the current story: Marten represents my friend: kind, good to the core, never steps on anyone's toes, helps those in need, and so on. He crosses the line ONCE and others come down on him with the force of God for his transgression. There is to be no forgiveness, and any metaphorical (or literal) kick to the teeth is "justified." His colleague is represented by the remainder of the cast: they're all completely messed up in one way or another, and yet nobody gets too upset when they do something wrong, despite it being a common occurrence. It's brushed off as, "well, that's Faye" or, "well, they're getting better at controlling their rage" or something like that.
Why is that? Why do the "good guys" get shit on so much harder when they screw up, no matter how rarely it happens?
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Because competency is its own punishment. And so is kindness.
People may like you for being competent, kind, and a host of other positive qualities....
But liking someone and respecting them are two entirely different things.
Very few people will respect you if you keep setting yourself up to be basically a doormat. Sure they may like you for being so nice and helpful, but way down deep, you are just a convenience to them because you never enforced respect. This is what happens when you are so generous that it becomes appeasement behavior. You send the message that you don't have to be respected. Because gosh darn it, you are such a nice guy no one has to respect you in order for you to be nice!
And then when you have the temerity (translation: self respect) to finally bite back when getting stepped on, or just plain screw up, or in any other way just be plain inconvenient....
They of course react badly. You disturbed their calm, because it wasn't normal expected convenient behavior from you.
sitnspin:
I don't get where this whole "Marten has a right to be a dick" thing is coming from. Is his bad behavior understandable in light of his depression and drunken stupor? Possibly. But being understandable does not equate being justified. He was being a shithead. Fay made it abundantly clear she was not interested. HE basically said "You know you want it" and tried to force a kiss on a woman (a friend no less) who made it perfectly clear she wasn't interested. Claiming he had the right to do that jsut because his love life fell apart is BS. Akima is right, drunk guys scary and being drunk does not excuse shitty behavior. I say this having done shitty things myself while drunk.
That said, I don't think this dooms Marten as a person, but to say he has the right to act like this goes too far in the other direction.
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