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WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
Razgriz:
Skipped the long quote thing because it was getting long.
Marten kind of had Faye with the 'you like jerks though' line, though. Faye had arguments with Sven and then had sex with him. She also told Sven on multiple occasions that they'd never have anything happen, but it still did. Yet Marten being a jerk and being told on previous occasions that it can't happen = NO. That's absurd. Marten was wrong, but all makes a kind of sense to the point that I find it hard to condemn the guy. It's not like he forced anything on her. He raised the idea and got punched out. Even if he was going to, Faye reacted prior to the harassment.
Somnus Eternus:
--- Quote from: Razgriz on 15 Dec 2010, 21:57 ---Skipped the long quote thing because it was getting long.
Marten kind of had Faye with the 'you like jerks though' line, though.
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No. No, he didn't. Even if it were true that Faye liked jerks (which as far as I can tell, the only one who qualifies for that is Sven), that still doesn't excuse his behavior. It doesn't make her open game for any old jerk that walks into her life because, you know, she likes jerks (which I don't think she does).
--- Quote from: Razgriz --- Faye had arguments with Sven and then had sex with him. She also told Sven on multiple occasions that they'd never have anything happen, but it still did. Yet Marten being a jerk and being told it can't happen = NO. That's absurd. Marten was wrong, but all makes a kind of sense to the point that I find it hard to condemn the guy. It's not like he forced anything on her. He raised the idea and got punched out. Even if he was going to, Faye reacted prior to the harassment.
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Sven was not her friend. Sven was not someone she trusted. Marten is not Sven. Marten is her best friend. Marten promised that things could remain platonic - it's there, in one of the linked comics earlier on, shortly after the talk.
Even if none of those things are true, you don't get to drag someone's sexual past up and use it to justify your assholishness in the present.
Seriously, you should get that entitlement complex checked out there.
Penquin47:
--- Quote from: Razgriz on 15 Dec 2010, 21:48 ---Sorry, sexual harassment is a crime so I sort of assumed you'd prefer it be dealt with similarly to other crimes. My fault that you used the wrong term for it, I guess. And reread the comic. Faye never says no to Martens advance. She says 'you're being a jerk', he says 'we should make out' and then she punches him out. I think you imagined the intervening panels where Faye says 'I don't want to make out' and then Marten forces himself on her, because those aren't there.
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"Okay, I know you're drunk and upset, but you're being a dick." ::starts pushing him away, defining space::
"Oh yeah? Thass the kind of guy you're into, right? So let's make out. C'mon, gimme a..."
At this point, it is sexual harassment and if Faye DID care to press the issue, she could probably get some money, or Marten forced into counseling, or something. (All I could find about Massachusetts law involved harassment in the workplace, which this isn't.) The fact that they're roommates would almost certainly work against her, and if Dora wanted to be vindictive the thing about her dumping Marten because she believed he still wanted Faye could be brought into play. In this case, Faye is the victim and I think she recognizes the extreme circumstances and that Marten would not normally act like this. She'll let this drop with a "don't do that again" and/or "how much of what you said last night was you, and how much was the alcohol, and don't fucking lie to me" conversation. If the victim has no interest in pursuing the crime and has the ability to make that decision (not, y'know, DEAD or something), why waste law enforcement's time with it?
Sharp:
--- Quote from: Razgriz on 15 Dec 2010, 21:57 ---Skipped the long quote thing because it was getting long.
Marten kind of had Faye with the 'you like jerks though' line, though. Faye had arguments with Sven and then had sex with him. She also told Sven on multiple occasions that they'd never have anything happen, but it still did. Yet Marten being a jerk and being told on previous occasions that it can't happen = NO. That's absurd. Marten was wrong, but all makes a kind of sense to the point that I find it hard to condemn the guy. It's not like he forced anything on her. He raised the idea and got punched out. Even if he was going to, Faye reacted prior to the harassment.
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But by the simple fact that Marten was imlying she "owed him", it does fall under the realm of harassment. I can see where you're coming from though Razgriz; I don't want to be mad at Marten either. And I can say for sure that this will blow over, that while Marten isn't entitled to act like a jerk, the extenuating circumstances and his past history will exonorate him eventually. I'm confident that Faye will chalk this up to the alcohol and the stress and forgive him, and maybe even rib him about it in the future. "Hurr durr, I'm drunk Faye! Let's make out! Hurr Hurr!"
And as for Marten's intentions? I dunno, I kind of like the "self-fulfilling prophecy" theory someone mentioned. (sorry I forget who!) But I can see it being something along the lines of "Making the criminal fit the crime."
But then again, for all we can tell, Marten may have just been trying to be a dick. He's been known to get snarky on occassion and some liquid libation lubricant may have loosened his tongue too much. I do feel for the guy, I do. Many many of us have said things under the influence that seemed fine and rational at the time that turned out to be competely over the line, and now Marten has to deal with said consequences.
Somnus Eternus:
--- Quote from: Sharp on 15 Dec 2010, 22:11 --- But then again, for all we can tell, Marten may have just been trying to be a dick. He's been known to get snarky on occassion and some liquid libation lubricant may have loosened his tongue too much. I do feel for the guy, I do. Many many of us have said things under the influence that seemed fine and rational at the time that turned out to be competely over the line, and now Marten has to deal with said consequences.
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I could see that. Lashing out at the first person available that isn't Hannelore (because really, I don't think he could do it to her) when he's tongue's nice and loosened and he's a hurtin' puppy? Makes sense to me.
This is absolutely going to be a flash-in-the-pan, try-it-again-and-i'll-knock-out-your-teeth, but-how-are-you-doing-now-sweetheart? moment.
...Putting dashes between words instead of spaces is tougher than I thought. :psyduck:
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