Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
Rikushix:
--- Quote from: adrialexi on 16 Dec 2010, 07:53 ---
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--- Quote from: pwhodges on 16 Dec 2010, 02:13 ---It is probably impossible to avoid a forum such as this having a certain amount of over-analysis going on. It would in general be helpful if people would read enough of what's already been written to avoid simply repeating the same arguments, possibly already answered, which have been put before. And think three times before posting yourself.
The point about sexual harassment is slightly more complex, as some of us are in countries where, in some circumstances, and with people being sufficiently vindictive, Marten's behaviour could have been enough possibly to take him to court. Jeph may not be so aware of that (I'm guessing), and so sees that discussion as stupid, when there's actually a basis for it for some people.
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Oh, no, I'm well aware that in certain situations that could be construed as criminal behavior. But in this particular one I fail to see how any reasonable human being would define it as out-and-out sexual harassment.
Marten and Faye are best friends. They know each other incredibly well. There is no way Faye, at the point where she is right now, would EVER think Marten's actions were anything more than drunken idiocy. She tends to go overboard when punishing that idiocy, but I think today's strip makes it fairly obvious she doesn't think Marten would've raped her or something horrible like that.
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I will probably get banned for this, but that is stupid. That is exactly the situation when I was raped. So, a great big thanks to you for making it a joke.
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No. It's not a joke.
Jeph wasn't making a statement about women in general, he was making a statement about Marten and Faye. He feels that there's no possible way Faye could construe Marten's behavior as leading to sexual coercion or force.
If he had said "There is no way that a woman, at the point where she is in that situation, would ever think that a guy's actions were any more than drunken idiocy..." THEN I would agree with you.
But I don't. These are fictional characters and Jeph can make whatever broad statements he wants about them.
Rape is not funny. My girlfriend was raped - twice. It's a horrific experience and she still feels the effects from it.
But this has nothing to do with rape and you need to look at the bigger picture.
edit: Carl-E got to it first. Thank you for putting it more succinctly than me.
super edit: Man, I've been reading QC for years and this is only my 14th post? :|
Dr. ROFLPWN:
--- Quote from: GeoffTheLlama on 16 Dec 2010, 08:17 ---
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 16 Dec 2010, 08:12 ---
--- Quote from: GeoffTheLlama on 16 Dec 2010, 07:24 ---
--- Quote from: PureLionHeart on 16 Dec 2010, 07:20 ---We NEED to see the damage Cataclysm has wrought on dear Marigold!
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I'm betting it'd be super boring.
"FUCKING VASHJ'IR THIS UNDERWATER REPETITIVE SHIT SUCKS."
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Hey you shut up about Vashj'ir, that zone is rad.
Besides, more likely she comes in dazed and muttering about "leveled Archaeology to 525...n-never again..."
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You and the girlfriend are both all about that zone. Maybe it IS me. :psyduck:
Good lord, Archaeology makes me want to punch small defenseless stuffed animals right in the teeth.
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I am not necessarily all about Vashj'ir, but I loved running around fightan naga on my seahorse and how Goddamn pretty it was. It didn't really get repetitive till right near the end, and even then, I could stand it, especially with the culmination.
Archaeology, on the other hand, has me punching small animals right alongside ye, but I can't stop what is wrong with me
benenator:
And this, laddies and jellyspoons, is why you don't drink a whole lion at once.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: adrialexi on 16 Dec 2010, 07:53 ---That is exactly the situation when I was raped. So, a great big thanks to you for making it a joke.
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You have my sympathy; it could not be otherwise. But Jeph hasn't made your experience a joke, because the comic is not about you, nor was there a rape in the comic, nor did he make what Marten did in the comic a joke (indeed, he described it in his twitter as the darkest point of the current story).
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: Odin on 16 Dec 2010, 08:52 ---What about the argument that Marten's behavior while drunk is indicative of some pretty deep running issues he needs to get sorted out (and the whole Nice Guy sub-argument here and in the characterization thread)?
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Dammit, Odin, you're such a one-note monkey!
Look, you keep saying "read your other posts", so I did. Several of them. Many are filled with calling other forumites morons or trolls, most have specious arguments gleaned from what must be a scanning of the archive, since you seem to have no grasp of a lot of the details of the story. People who point out your fallacies are ignored, and ... well, I'm getting tired of it, really.
Just ignoring the preponderance of the evidence and running around screaming "Marten's a spineless NiceGuyTM" does NOT make it true.
Now go back, and really read the damn comics. I know it may be a challenge, but I think you'll find it's worth it. You also might want to try listening to other people. You don't have to agree with them, but if you actually listen to what they say, you may be able to refute them without simply calling them names.
Or you can go get a job at Fox news.
Either way, it should keep you busy for a while.
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