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WCDT: 13-17 Dec 2010 (1816-20)
Odin:
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 13 Dec 2010, 11:44 ---I don't see that ("Marten's tendency to go after women that treat him like shit") as a realistic judgement based on what we actually know, though. He and Vicky were fine for a while, but then grew apart and ended unsatisfactorily, which is not an uncommon stage in life; Faye he hankered after, but she didn't treat him like shit (play-punching and being unavailable aren't enough to qualify); and Dora, well, she chased him, and didn't treat him like shit until sometime after they were together.
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Marten was the creepy one in the relationship with Vicky, though (already argued this out in another thread several months ago), so I don't think we want to go through that one again (short version: She broke up with him, he moved to follow her anyway and she wasn't assertive enough to tell him to fuck off until after a week of continuous phone calls). Faye did treat Marten like shit pretty much continuously until the comic evolved into them genuinely being friends instead of Marten being the Nice Guy that let the Girl He Is Attracted To move in (with her being very well aware of it) and Dora chased after Marten because she saw a readily available doormat that she could walk all over (and she broke up with him when he finally redeveloped a spine).
Whether Marten is still a Nice Guy or not remains to be seen, but at the very beginning of this comic he pretty much was. Jeph may have redefined him recently, but we haven't actually seen it outside of his interactions with Hannelore and other people he has no romantic interest in.
tbones:
--- Quote from: themacnut on 13 Dec 2010, 12:04 ---More likely, if Marten keeps drinking, that Faye will come home to find him passed out on the couch face down in his own vomit. Can't fight with an unconscious person now can you? Thus her Mama Bear instinct will kick in and she'll feel compelled to take care of Marten-which he will hear about in the morning, especially if Faye has to clean up his puke.
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Faye? Mama Bear instinct? I can see that, but i can't see Faye as a person that acts non-violently, like taking care of Marten and cleaning the mess....
tomart:
--- Quote from: Wiregeek on 13 Dec 2010, 10:21 ---
--- Quote from: Cammy on 13 Dec 2010, 09:49 ---While I don't think we'll be seeing Veronica this week (damn TSA holding her up)
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I would love to see Jeph handle that. He's never been much of a political animal, though, more's the pity.
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True, but there could be much humor in a screener scanning Veronica's tools of her trade... :police:
(hey, she might bring some on a rare visit; a chance to see an east coast client while she's 'in town'...)
:-o "...Ahem, Ma'am, is this trip business or pleasure...?" "Both!" :-D
Thanks, raoulferre! I was gonna put some words to that tune, but you're much better at it than me. (than I?)
And multiple-choice poll for sure this time - I'll bet many of us would have chosen V's visit and Dora's therapy.
And while i approve of reigning in silly, bizarre, out-of-character speculation (it's usually not even funny) I wonder about the random poll entries too... Mieville and Winslow running away? Why? And a month of YB&R wouldn't be in character for Jeph.
* he did speak out against a ballot initiative that would have trampled gay/lesbian rights; I think it's probably wise to be selective in his position, else be seen as too ... something.
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: Odin on 13 Dec 2010, 12:14 ---Marten was the creepy one in the relationship with Vicky, though (already argued this out in another thread several months ago), so I don't think we want to go through that one again (short version: She broke up with him, he moved to follow her anyway and she wasn't assertive enough to tell him to fuck off until after a week of continuous phone calls).
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Yes. I get the feeling that, despite the few prior GF's, Marten's level of inexperience made him clingy, and prompted some really bad judgements.
--- Quote ---Faye did treat Marten like shit pretty much continuously until the comic evolved into them genuinely being friends instead of Marten being the Nice Guy that let the Girl He Is Attracted To move in (with her being very well aware of it)
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Again, I have to agree. It was an easy hook for Jeph to use early in the comic, provided humor and character development possibilities, but like most Nice GuyTM storylines, it was juvenile and could have gone creepy.
--- Quote --- and Dora chased after Marten because she saw a readily available doormat that she could walk all over (and she broke up with him when he finally redeveloped a spine).
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OK, now here is where I differ with you. Dora found Marten attractive, you don't use the term "dashing young man" lightly. She wasn't going to do anything about it at first, deferring to Faye's surmised prior claim. When the coast was clear, she still agonized over the decision, leading to the current state of her neuroses. She'd been going through some changes, leaving the goth world (and her former dating pool) behind, and found a man whose appearance turned her on (what else do any of us first react to, anyway?) and who was available. I'm not saying that she felt Marten was a "new indy outlook" accessory, but after her prior experience she was probably thinking that she'd like to see how the other half lived. She wasn't looking for spineless, and I don't think Marten is (we'll probably always disagree over this point), but I think I can safely say that a doormat was the last thing she was looking for. And it wasn't his spine (suddenly developed or otherwise) that made her break up with him. It was the fact that she was making them both miserable, and finally saw it. She had an epiphany of sorts, and it cost her something dear.
Sorry, but Dora was just not acting out of malice, as you'd have it.
And yes, Marten is a nice guy. That doesn't make him a Nice GuyTM. He's grown, and seems to have a handle on the creepy thing. He's still pretty clueless, but when you're in a relationship where the other person laughs off their worries, you'd be pretty clueless too, unless you were unnecessarily paranoid.
And, now that I've gotten dangerously close to analysing you, I'll quit.
DonInKansas:
--- Quote from: themacnut on 13 Dec 2010, 12:04 ---More likely, if Marten keeps drinking, that Faye will come home to find him passed out on the couch face down in his own vomit. Can't fight with an unconscious person now can you? Thus her Mama Bear instinct will kick in and she'll feel compelled to take care of Marten-which he will hear about in the morning, especially if Faye has to clean up his puke.
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It's about time; Marten's cleaned up enough Faye puke that he's got plenty of puke payback in the bank.
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