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WCDT January 3-7, 2011 (1831-1835)
Dr. ROFLPWN:
Hannelore would be the best CSI, if she could keep from throwing up.
Mayhem:
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--- Quote from: Black Sword on 05 Jan 2011, 09:03 ---Y'all can thank themacnut for me dropping out of lurker status and actually posting. I don't feel sorry for Dora, and it's actually fairly aggravating that she's getting all of this undeserved support. My ex ruined a perfectly good relationship based on similarly flimsy reasoning and insecurities, and it pissed me off just as much back then that she was reassured and coddled by our social circle while I got the boot. I may be tough, but kicking me when I'm down provokes me to break you, not "get over it."
Eventually, it resulted in our social circle splitting into halves in a very messy, extended breakdown. I understand a writer's desire and vulnerability through their characters, but Dora did something that shouldn't be minimized so...trivially.
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Yes, how dare she break up with Marten rather than continuing a relationship that she felt she couldn't be secure in and she couldn't see through to the long-term without the fighting constantly happening. How dare she break up with Marten rather than making him go through her recovery with her, which could have resulted in a break-up anyway. How dare she spare him the stress. How dare she, that selfish bitch.
Am I getting the tone right?
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I love you.
Blackjoker:
I think some of the thing might be this, Veronica realized that Marten didn't bear Dora any ill will, or at least didn't want her in pain. She also seemed to like Dora some, so she went over to see her, offer condolences and maybe also try to get some insight into what happened (IE did Marten leave anything out, etc.).
Do I agree with how she has acted during most of this, not really, I think the way she's acting is at least somewhat cruel to Marten, if only because some of it does kind of feel like making him feel worse when he's already at a low point as well as possibly exacerbating personal problems. Then again, who knows, Jeph is the writer here and so far he's done a good job with the story and I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes. Hopefully not with Marten in a rubber room, but meh, I'm enjoying the ride thus far.
lessthankate:
perhaps Mrs Reed picked up on the fact that Dora wants to be punished, and is punishing her by not giver her what she wants?
screwing with her mind instead of physically or out loud or anything
i hope thats what it is, anyway!
themacnut:
--- Quote from: Carl-E on 05 Jan 2011, 17:59 ---
--- Quote from: Rascal on 05 Jan 2011, 16:32 ---The adult response would be for him to tell her that even if she's giving up on the relationship, he is not. It would be to tell her that while she desperately needs therapy and must get it, he will be there with her by her side, so they can work through the obstacles and challenges of their relationship together. Marten folds far too easily. He may be loyal to a fault, but he gives in and quits far too easily once rejection rears its ugly head.
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That's what I was hoping would have happened as well. That's what would have happened had I been Marten.
But I'm not. And I think (after seeing how several of my relationships have gone) that it's a good thing.
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What Carl-E said above. Saving people from themselves sounds like a noble goal, but in practice it seldom works out for either the prospective rescuer or rescuee. Only Dora can choose to "save herself" here, and if both she and Marten are in a place to resume their relationship after she's saved herself, so much the better. But before then, it's best for both that they go their separate ways for now.
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