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WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
Is it cold in here?:
In 437, Marten was "jokin' around" about his parents's breakup.
westrim:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 14 Jan 2011, 01:24 ---Argh. Now I had to go and look up how penguins feed their young.
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What, by throwing up partially digested food in their mouths? Eh, insert comment about the internet and jadedness here. Or a Cracked article hyperlink. :-D
So, just when she started acting like a mom, she leaves. Oh well. Why couldn't she have been this nice when she arrived? I mean, they didn't even hug before going off to the restaurant so she could launch her now apparently intentional campaign to humiliate her son out of his funk - I mean, feeling bad about being broken up with two days before is just such an unreasonable reaction, isn't it?
Yes, it still bugs me. All the stuff she did would have been amusing if this were not two days after the breakup, and she was his mom. But it is two days later, not two months later, so it's annoying. I didn't expect her to be a role model; I did expect his mom to be empathetic. Is that really unreasonable? You know, that person that gave birth to you and raised you and we had no reason to believe would be unempathetic, whatever viewers of naked clowns think, and one of the handful of people that most people believe they can turn to in an emotional crisis, whatever certain unconvincing Canadians think - yes, I'm checking back for the many comments I missed.
--- Quote from: Dr. ROFLPWN on 13 Jan 2011, 01:31 ---Long quote, click the link instead o my making this post even longer.
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I'd expect his dad to to be empathetic too. If he made the journey, then he can decrease the googly-eyes with his husband to be (or leave him behind) and be a dad again for a bit. If he didn't, like she shouldn't have, then that's okay too. Obviously, since he didn't. If I may be so 'bold': Nobody said someone should fix this, 'because that's how real life works'. Seriously, where in the heck did you pick that up? No, I didn't expect the friggin magic wand, but I DID expect the "hugs and sympathy and all that", instead of just the embarrassment. Ironically, we finally got that, and even more ironically, the comic seems to be acting like her poor actions the previous day really did fix everything, because now he's all smiley and "things will be better" and all. Though I'm sure further comics will draw back on that a bit. And I'm perfectly fine with her conduct with Dora. It was the sneaking around to do so that was unsettling.
Looking back, you know what this needed? A timeskip, between about comics 1809 and 1810. If he was depressed still two months or a month later and she came and did the wacky hijinks then, then it would be amusing. But two days after, and she's being - I dare not say a bitch, that's too strong a term anyway - well, something, and trying to snap him out of feeling bad about something that happened two days ago... Well, I think you know how I feel about that, because I've written like 20 posts saying what it was.
Edit: And now someone else made the "lol, they expected her to come and fix everything" canard two posts above while I was typing. Stop strawmanning, please. If you can honestly defend her actions beyond 'lulz, that was funny for us readers' then do so. If not, don't resort to fallacies so you can feel like you have a counterargument.
Edit 2: Wow, I wrote a lot. Adding indents and a quote to help with readability.
themacnut:
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 14 Jan 2011, 01:11 ---She comes; she's a bit insensitive pretty much the whole time; she goes. What's unexpected about that?
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Yeah there were reasons Marten really wasn't enthusiastic about seeing his mom in the first place, and Veronica displayed those reasons front and center over the past couple of weeks. Her personality really wasn't very different from the last time she visited, it's just that Marten was not in a good place emotionally to deal with her usual hijinks this time. We can be pretty sure that Marten's glad to see her go. At last.
Dr. ROFLPWN:
@westrim: I got it mostly from the fact that your post seemed to be opining that his mom wasn't Doing It Right to thine eyes, and he needed his dad to swoop in and make it all better, because his mom had failed at that, which just reeks to me of magical thinking.
I suppose I should be more sympathetic; I'm guilty of leaning pretty heavily on my folks for support in hard times, but I realize that really things are up to me now. It scares the fuck out of me, but hey, it's part of that growing up thing that happens to us all.
I continue to think your outlined expectations were, well, either a little unrealistic or you're just misrepresenting her, but hey! You are entitled to your opinion, and you've backed it up succinctly and well. We may agree to disagree, I should think.
EDIT 2x 1x COMBO: ...that was not directed at Just You, and if you really must call me out then call me out. That was me snarking at a general attitude of other posters.
The brunt of it is directed at those who are taking it on themselves to repeat over and over the idea that Veronica did things wrong, and saying things that have been said already, and generally not contributing much to the conversation.
I think it's fair to say that people did think V could fix everything and are sour about it, it's a valid (if silly) opinion, but I likewise feel legitimate in mocking it. Perhaps I'm being fallacious in that, but I don't really care, because I'm not setting out to have a long and involved rules-heavy debate here. Just as you made your point of view plenty clear already, I should hope so did I, and, welp, there's the fuckin' counterargument. At this point, the floor should be yielded to things like "I wonder what Marigold/Pintsize's/Jimbo/the Roomba family/Agent Turing/the Deathbot is up to!"
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: The Seldom Killer on 14 Jan 2011, 02:04 ---As for laugh at other people's lives, I think that's pretty normal. Even when sucking, other people's lives can be quite funny. I would suggest that the guidemark is that if it happened to you, would you, at some point expect to be able to laugh about it.
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At your life, certainly. But not at other people's when they are hurting - if you want to keep your friends.
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