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WDCT 10-14 January 2011 (1836-1840)
GeoffTheLlama:
--- Quote from: Destenoth on 10 Jan 2011, 03:07 ---While watching this on the stream I started out hopeful - without dialogue it looked as if the first 3 panels could be Marten telling Veronica what she was doing wrong and her taking his hands and apologising. Then I checked back and saw some of the dialogue. That left me extremely unsatisfied, but having now read the finished thing, I maintain hope. Veronica is only going back to her hotel, not home, so hopefully she'll get her comeuppance and the gang will get Marten into therapy for his mummy issues.
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Someone remind me again why Marten needs therapy because his mom chose a really weird and ineffective way to try to cheer him up? And why Veronica needs her comeuppance from a bunch of kids - none of whom are parents themselves and whose mother she could be - about how she treats her own son?
That doesn't seem...inappropriate to you at all? She didn't beat him in public, she teased him. More than she should have, yes, okay, I can agree with that, but seriously? She's not a child abuser. She didn't beat him in front of the world. She embarrassed her grown son a little in order to shake him out of his funk, however poorly planned it was.
Edit:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 10 Jan 2011, 06:25 ---I have a feeling someone's going to be visiting Marigold shortly...
OH MY GOD NO. :psyduck:
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"You know, my son does like the curvy girls...you have his number, don't you?"
"MOM." (from his apartment. in another building.)
Odal:
--- Quote from: Bass Lizard on 09 Jan 2011, 20:50 ---
--- Quote from: ducktape on 09 Jan 2011, 20:42 ---
--- Quote from: Bass Lizard on 09 Jan 2011, 20:36 ---Am I the only one hoping for the return of Raven here? :-D Okay, granted it doesn't make alot of sense. But now that you mention Dora's old coven, I can't help but wonder where they all ended up. Isn't it weird that of the entire QC cast, Dora is the one we've known the longest with the least ammount of history?
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Though Raven's return to comfort Dora (not that way, get your minds OUT OF THE GUTTER) could be helpful for Dora, I don't see Jeph just "happening" to bring her back at the right moment. Too much of a deus ex machina.
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"Get your mind in the gutter?" Don't mind if I do! (ahem). Am I the only one who recalls Tai having a MASSIVE crush on Dora? And that Dora seemed to keen on adopting her? Oh, Gods of wishfuly thinking, it's like you never left us! :-D
But kidding aside. With Dora being the way she is now, no chance will Tai even think of making a move on her. But then again, I seem to recall Marten and Dora hooking up by eriely similar circumstances.
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Tai won't make a move on Dora because of Marten's euphoria fluid.
Destenoth:
--- Quote from: GeoffTheLlama on 10 Jan 2011, 06:57 ---
Someone remind me again why Marten needs therapy because his mom chose a really weird and ineffective way to try to cheer him up? And why Veronica needs her comeuppance from a bunch of kids - none of whom are parents themselves and whose mother she could be - about how she treats her own son?
That doesn't seem...inappropriate to you at all? She didn't beat him in public, she teased him. More than she should have, yes, okay, I can agree with that, but seriously? She's not a child abuser. She didn't beat him in front of the world. She embarrassed her grown son a little in order to shake him out of his funk, however poorly planned it was.
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Well, in my opinion, therapy might be a good idea because:
A) He's been in a dangerous place lately and doing some dangerous things. Granted, it hasn't gone on long enough to be a massive worry yet. So just, you know, general breakup angst. He should be able to overcome it, but he may decided he wants / needs help.
(Yes, I'm aware I didn't mention that in my original post)
B) The thing with his mother reprimanding him in public was just... to me it seemed to indicate, for want of a better word, issues. Mother issues. I'm not a psychologist, nor even particularly experienced, but I know that in the relationship I have with my mother, her snapping at me and demanding I apologise to the people around me would not be met with the same instantly cowed and obedient response that Veronica's outburst garnered in Marten.
To be honest, I don't think Marten in therapy is particularly likely, as that would mean 4 characters undergoing psychiatric treatment. It might make things too samey. That said I'm not the writer of this comic. Why then, did I make the "therapy for his mummy issues" comment? It felt like a reasonable way to get across my rather strong aversion to last Friday's comic and what it showed. Perhaps I should try being clearer. I'm new at this whole forum thing.
Okay, now onto the comeuppance thing. Maybe comeuppance is too strong a word. I don't think she deserves to be beaten or run over or any of the other more extreme suggestions. I would, however, quite like to see someone (perhaps Faye, or maybe Hanners) to pull Veronica aside and kindly advise her that her attempts to cheer her son up have thus far been dodgy. The waitress, the photos, the thing with Sven, those are all fairly ok things. Sure, Marten wasn't in the mood for them but they weren't that bad. However, the moment she decided that walking out of a dinner she was having with Marten, so she could comfort his ex was a good idea, she lost a fair amount of my support. The moment I began to really dislike her, however, was Friday's comic. Personally, I'd be willing to let a few things slide if someone I cared about was down in the dumps. And honestly, even when I read the words with the nastiest tone I can imagine, Marten isn't saying anything too bad. No, it's not constructive. And yes, I'm sure it's not pleasant. But a dressing down as strong as the one she delivered, with the added insult of making him apologise to his friends, is just unnecessary, and not good parenting, in my opinion.
I'll take this final moment to say that I do not have kids, and am in fact only 15 years old, so can claim no knowledge of what it is like to be a parent, or go through extremely traumatic breakups. All the same, these are my opinions :-).
EDIT: Oh and I'd just like to add this: I don't hold with any of the "Veronica is a bad parent / child abuser / emotional torturer" lines of thought. I'm more inclined to agree with whoever it was that suggested that she is, like all of us, fallible, and that she is still learning how to interact with her now adult son.
iduguphergrave:
Oh I don't know, I think this is an short but effective little way of wrapping up the day and for Jeph to assure us that Veronica is indeed a mother (though she took her sweet merry time). What Veronica's saying is a lot like what Sven said to Dora in this strip, which is basically "you're not alone." I get the impression (or at least I hope) that Marten's humiliation conga is over, and hopefully tomorrow Ms. Reed will be a little more perceptive. Either way, her visit isn't over yet, so she still has a chance to redeem herself.
Border Reiver:
--- Quote from: The Seldom Killer on 10 Jan 2011, 03:56 ---...It all goes a bit A-Team as they try to escape with Faye stepping in for Mr. T because she pities fools the most.
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With Sven as "Face" and Hanners as "Howlin' Mad Murdoch"? There is no one who's good at planning though to take Mr. Peppard's role though.
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