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WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
musicalsoul:
--- Quote from: Napoleon_Blownapart on 13 Feb 2011, 22:23 ---
--- Quote from: JackFaerie on 13 Feb 2011, 21:32 ---
--- Quote from: Napoleon_Blownapart on 13 Feb 2011, 20:47 --- Guys practically have a free license to stare at girls in bars. That's one of the many functions of a bar. Girls don't hit guys for staring at them in bars anymore, if they ever did at all.
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Really? Really? Lemme tell you, when I go to my neighborhood bar scandalously clad in in jeans and a t-shirt, it's because I want to get out of my house and have a beer or hang out with friends. It certainly is NOT to give guys an opportunity to longingly stare at my ass, and the fact that you apparently find this to be something you are entitled to do just because a woman is in a public place where there is alcohol makes me feel really, really creeped out. I would probably not slap you for it but good god would that make me feel gross and angry.
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As a guy, I would not interfere with you having a beer and hanging out with your friends. I wouldn't get in your space or hit on you. I don't like trying to make superficial connections with strangers in bars. But I damn well have a right to silently check you out. Hell, I have a right to check you out in public too. When you step out of your door into the wide world every day, you forfeit the right to not be looked at. Nobody has the right to harass you or invade your space. But unless you choose to wear a burka, anyone has the right to just look - so long as that's all they do.
If you feel creeped out by guys who do this, then I suggest you grow a thicker skin.
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I just want to say that there is a difference between silently checking a woman out and staring at her. Being checked out is nice, even flattering. Being STARED at can be creepy. It all depends on the the situation and how intently the person is staring at you.
But honestly, in either situation, I wouldn't be likely to slap someone. If they were creeping me out, I'd move to a different part of the bar.
someone1074:
Well...he has a right to look insofar as it's not illegal...but that doesn't make it okay by any means.
On the other hand, some courts have held that deep and uninterrupted staring well after an individual has shown their disapproval can constitute sexual harassment. It's far from the norm, but it has happened. So you might not have a right to that after all.
Napoleon_Blownapart:
--- Quote from: musicalsoul on 13 Feb 2011, 22:35 ---
--- Quote from: Napoleon_Blownapart on 13 Feb 2011, 22:23 ---
--- Quote from: JackFaerie on 13 Feb 2011, 21:32 ---
--- Quote from: Napoleon_Blownapart on 13 Feb 2011, 20:47 --- Guys practically have a free license to stare at girls in bars. That's one of the many functions of a bar. Girls don't hit guys for staring at them in bars anymore, if they ever did at all.
--- End quote ---
Really? Really? Lemme tell you, when I go to my neighborhood bar scandalously clad in in jeans and a t-shirt, it's because I want to get out of my house and have a beer or hang out with friends. It certainly is NOT to give guys an opportunity to longingly stare at my ass, and the fact that you apparently find this to be something you are entitled to do just because a woman is in a public place where there is alcohol makes me feel really, really creeped out. I would probably not slap you for it but good god would that make me feel gross and angry.
--- End quote ---
As a guy, I would not interfere with you having a beer and hanging out with your friends. I wouldn't get in your space or hit on you. I don't like trying to make superficial connections with strangers in bars. But I damn well have a right to silently check you out. Hell, I have a right to check you out in public too. When you step out of your door into the wide world every day, you forfeit the right to not be looked at. Nobody has the right to harass you or invade your space. But unless you choose to wear a burka, anyone has the right to just look - so long as that's all they do.
If you feel creeped out by guys who do this, then I suggest you grow a thicker skin.
--- End quote ---
I just want to say that there is a difference between silently checking a woman out and staring at her. Being checked out is nice, even flattering. Being STARED at can be creepy. It all depends on the the situation and how intently the person is staring at you.
But honestly, in either situation, I wouldn't be likely to slap someone. If they were creeping me out, I'd move to a different part of the bar.
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Of course it depends on how long you look at someone and if they make their displeasure known, then the right thing do is to stop looking at them.
--- Quote from: someone1074 on 13 Feb 2011, 22:38 ---Well...he has a right to look insofar as it's not illegal...but that doesn't make it okay by any means.
On the other hand, some courts have held that deep and uninterrupted staring well after an individual has shown their disapproval can constitute sexual harassment. It's far from the norm, but it has happened. So you might not have a right to that after all.
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Yes it's okay to look. It's a strong genetic imperative in men to do so. I also agree long uninterrupted staring is taking it too far - I never advocated that. Hell all Marten did was look at the girl and get a little lost. For a woman to want it to stop is fine and the man should oblige. But denying a person the right to do it in the first place is also a denial of the right to think those thoughts about the woman. To me, that's like trying to institute thoughtcrime.
Akima:
--- Quote from: Napoleon_Blownapart on 13 Feb 2011, 20:47 ---Guys practically have a free license to stare at girls in bars. That's one of the many functions of a bar. Girls don't hit guys for staring at them in bars anymore, if they ever did at all.
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Yeah, because men are entitled to set the rules, award themselves "licenses", and decide what the functions of public spaces are supposed to be. What women might want doesn't come into it, right? No, I wouldn't hit a man who stared at me (not least because starting fights, especially with potentially-drunk guys, is dangerous), but men with attitudes like this are a big part of the reason I don't go unaccompanied to bars at all.
--- Quote from: Napoleon_Blownapart on 13 Feb 2011, 22:23 ---But unless you choose to wear a burka, anyone has the right to just look - so long as that's all they do. If you feel creeped out by guys who do this, then I suggest you grow a thicker skin.
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If we don't want to be stared at we should wear a burka? :psyduck: I'll just let that speak for itself I think, and note the standard line that if women don't like the way men behave, there is something wrong with us.
As for the comic... It's sort of a funny shout-out to the early days of QC, and the hand-print is nicely drawn...
morrigan:
I'll take the middle ground in this whole debate and say that while an individual openly staring at another is creepy, it never warrants a slap in the face. It's an unacceptable, childish response. Reverse the genders and suddenly it's abuse and cause for arrest.
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