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WCDT 14-18 February 2011 (1861-1865)
pwhodges:
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Yes it's okay to look. It's a strong genetic imperative in men to do so.
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The thing is, society has rules over and above genetic urges to control and limit them - they are what distinguish us from animals.
(And that much quoting was unnecessary, and bad style; when you're in that bar, do you repeat everything that's been said before you add to it?)
westrim:
The succeeding is written without looking at previous comments, to spare you from a mountain of responses:
I never got the "Look at me!"/"Don't look at me!" dichotomy of how women present themselves and dress in public (yes, I get the various aspects of it and the superficial logic of it, but it's faulty). To my knowledge, the point of going to a bar, alone or with a 'wing (wo)man', is to meet members of the opposite sex. If that girl wasn't expecting to be looked at, why was she there?
Also, Hannelore obviously. She's the ultimate untouchable.
Napoleon_Blownapart:
--- Quote from: Akima on 13 Feb 2011, 23:01 ---Yeah, because men are entitled to set the rules, award themselves "licenses", and decide what the functions of public spaces are supposed to be.
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Inside their own head, a man or a woman is absolute master of themselves and has the license to enjoy that freedom.
--- Quote from: Akima on 13 Feb 2011, 23:01 ---What women might want doesn't come into it, right?
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What women might want is absolutely as important as what men want. If a woman wants to check a man out in a bar or in public, she has the freedom to do so. Hell, a woman can even create a strawman argument against mine like you just did and try to defeat that instead of the argument I'm putting forth.
--- Quote from: Akima on 13 Feb 2011, 23:01 ---If we don't want to be stared at we should wear a burka? :psyduck:
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If you don't want to be looked at, how do you plan on enforcing men not looking at you? Are you going to take away person's right to look at what they please in public? :roll:
--- Quote from: Akima on 13 Feb 2011, 23:01 --- I'll just let that speak for itself I think, and note the standard line that if women don't like the way men behave, there is something wrong with us.
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I think you're wrapped up in the idea that my argument is to oppress women. How do you feel about the ethical implications of this line: "If women don't like the way men behave, there is something intrinsically wrong about the male behaviour in question and said behavoiour must be stopped, punished and banned."
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: Blackjoker on 13 Feb 2011, 21:36 ---I think part of the problem might be Marten TALKING about the staring when near one of the women in question.
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I get the impression that the above has been overlooked, and so I'm quoting it.
It makes a difference. I mean, picture yourself in her position; you've gone to the bar for a drink, and you hear this guy beside you say "Well, I mean, it's been WEEKS, I AM a single dude... now..." and when you turn he staring, goggle-eyed, at your ass.
Does it warrant a slap? Probably not, but it is really creepy of Marten, and regardless of his thoughts on her ass, she thinks he's one!
westrim:
It looks like it was a good thing I typed, then looked at the thread, or I'd be making posts with 15 quotes in them. I think I'll just side with the middle roaders up above. Marten was being a bit creepy, she took it to assault levels. But then, this is a comedy and Marten's always been the butt monkey, so I guess we should just DWI.
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