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Johnny C:
yeah but it's not about misandry it's about equity – and paul's point about "transitional" still applies to feminism in a world where the manufacturing industry in juarez, mexico operates the way it does
ALoveSupreme:
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--- Quote from: ALoveSupreme on 02 Mar 2011, 16:01 ---I agree with those people, really. I am a minority male who self identifies as a feminist and I really don't see a problem with that. I don't know who these women are that give you shit for being a progressive human being but that's ridiculous.
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no you misread me they gave me shit for having a feminist viewpoint but not calling myself a feminist just because i'm a man, they said it's ultimately way more beneficial if i just straight-up call me a feminist and explain to people why
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Actually that was my fault for writing in haste, I was addressing Tommy, who, to my assumption from what he said, seems to catch grief from women when he identifies as a feminist.
I was talking with Mary, my girlfriend, about this last night and one thing she noted is that it's foolish for women to "exclude men" from feminism. Feminism doesn't work as a "transitional movement" without the support of EVERYone. This obviously can only include men.
Elysiana:
Johnny - that's exactly what I'm saying. The problem arises when people SEE it as misandry. Technically it is not, but it's gotten that name due to a few bad eggs. Which is really too bad, because they're only making their journey toward equality that much harder.
David_Dovey:
I'm really not seeing the point where being a male and labeling yrself a "feminist" irrevocably turns into
--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 03 Mar 2011, 14:57 ---a position whereby you had to tell a woman who was indisputably an active feminist that she was wrong and that your definition is stronger and purer than hers despite the fact that you're not a woman
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In fact it seems positively counter-intuitive to what someone would do if they took feminism seriously/weren't a dick
Johnny C:
no i think he's saying that those don't have to be arguments and in fact (in my experience which i mean is in a gender studies department so different but not by any means limited) often aren't arguments, and they don't necessarily have that endpoint
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