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ALoveSupreme:
--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 03 Mar 2011, 16:42 ---The vocal majority who do it for reasons which are absolutely at odds with feminism. The assholes who take courses on women's studies to be in a class which will be predominantly females. The frustrated pseudo-paternal ultra-patronising males who definitely know more than mere women do about being female. The suspiciously super duper sex-positive men who are looking for a positive spin on their porn addictions. Mother fetishists who are looking for surrogate female acceptance in the face of social disinterest from sensible women. I could go on and on and on.
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This logic to steer clear of identifying as a male feminist based on this just literally drives me crazy!
I mean, when I think about all the assholes who play music ONLY TO GET LAID or to "party brah" or whatever lame reason and not because they appreciate the history or the theory or the art or whatever... that doesn't mean I put my cornet or my saxophone or my guitar down and stop listening to and playing music and just bow out. I do it because it is right for me and so effing what if those people are an embarrassment to what I consider an extremely important aspect of my life. If you think something like feminism is right then why would you allow your opinion to be swayed by people like that?
AAAUUUGH I know I should get so crazy about this and I apologize and I don't mean to be such a jerk to you but this apparent apathy because of the actions of others just does not sit right.
Johnny C:
--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 03 Mar 2011, 16:56 --- I don't think a man can honestly claim to understand being a women and thus, I think they should defer on all matters which differentiate the sexes. We're talking literally the difference between men using the term feminist (which they are bizarrely adamant about being allowed to use, you notice?) and another slightly more respectable, dare I say it, modest term like pro-feminist, profeminist or feminist sympathiser etc.
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what about trans/genderqueer/etc. individuals, are they allowed to call themselves feminists
Johnny C:
i mean what i am trying to get at is that the literal use of the term "feminism" seems like kind of a weird place to draw the line and start practicing biological essentialism
KharBevNor:
Well that sucks Tommy because I'm labelling YOU a feminist.
You're a feminist.
Everyone's a feminist! Except the people who aren't.
Elysiana:
I also don't understand why men shouldn't be allowed to call themselves feminists. Are we using the same definition of feminism? It feels like you're attaching something extra to it, or that you're assuming that those who do are correct.
Which of course is fine; I'm just wondering what you define it as?
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