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Yunior:
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--- Quote from: Yunior on 04 Mar 2011, 10:47 ---But I'm just saying, y'know, open invitation from me to you, or if you just wanna whisper the label quietly to yourself from time to time, it wouldn't, like, explode my brain or anything.
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Regardless, from roughly a thousand conversations with women who are against the notion of males as feminists, I wouldn't be comfortable with it.
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omg you've said this like a thousand times and I am not trying to get you to call yourself a feminist and I completely respect why you wouldn't want to, I was just being nice for chrissake
Radical AC:
--- Quote from: Ptommydski on 04 Mar 2011, 13:28 ---
--- Quote from: Radical AC on 04 Mar 2011, 11:29 ---If I, as a man, claim to be feminist and am told by a woman also claiming to be a feminist that because of my gender I can't be a feminist, then I would call her out on understanding what the feminist ideology is.
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You know there's a bunch of different interpretations of feminist ideology right?
Like, you might be wrong. She might be right.
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I generally operate and speak from the point of view of liberal feminism. And, assume the same of others unless otherwise specified. I don't think I've ever met anyone that claimed to be a feminist who meant it as a conservative feminist, nor would I expect that I am having a long discussion on the topic with a radical feminist. I'm not trying to say there is a ridged structure of uniform thought in the ideology, but to realize that all ideologies have basic tenants that must be subscribed to in order to be of that ideology.
KharBevNor:
What viewpoints and opinions are universal to all feminists? I can't think of anything that I can't easily bust apart and I'm far from an expert on the spectrum of feminist thought, though I know the basics.
pwhodges:
And the rest. I can't help feeling that once enough people simply live this way, it will truly have more effect than -isms, which are seen by so many as divisive in their own right. Can we head straight for that goal, or do we have no alternative but to go through the pain of the imperfect route that we seem to be on at present? I simply don't know.
KvP:
--- Quote from: Jeans on 05 Mar 2011, 03:40 ---That people should be regarded as equals regardless of sex/gender?
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Sort of? Liberal feminism and its satellites, yeah absolutely, that's the whole premise. Difference feminists wouldn't argue for equality, but instead for a revaluation of things that make people different. And there are spheres where most feminists would argue against equality - most would not support equal say for both parents of a growing fetus, for example. It would be generally (but not universally) agreed that the mother's judgment should be more valid than the father's. Lots of Dominance feminists would find "gender-blindness" highly suspect, etc.
Also ideally feminists are concerned with things beyond sex and gender, but that's as much an activism issue as an intersectionality one.
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