Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 28 Feb-4 Mar 2011 (1871-1875)
cabbagehut:
--- Quote from: shiroihikari on 28 Feb 2011, 11:48 ---So it's okay for ladies to objectify their own parts but it's not okay for men to objectify them...?
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Someone saying something about their own bodies and someone saying something about someone else's body are really different things. For example, it's fine for you to bitch about your own family, but if someone else does it, you get all defensive. Hey, there! That's my family you're talking about!
I personally find the conversation about breasts a little uncomfortable. It's not like it makes me want to leave or anything, it just sort of reminds me that yep, objectification happens everywhere.
--- Quote from: Deadlywonky on 28 Feb 2011, 11:23 ---Surely just discussing the pro's and con's of ones (or ones partner's) breasts can't be creepy? I think it may well be more information than some people are willing to share and may come across as creepy (TMI) to them. I'd be pretty spooked if the forum had turned to a discussion of male genitalia, but then i'd just run and hide.
(BTW it would only be creepy if the discussion turned to the male character's tackle)
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I'm going to pretend for a minute that I have a partner - if I found out he or she were discussing the pros and cons of my body on the internet? I would be incredibly hurt and yeah, really creeped out. I don't want to be tallied and analyzed on something that's so out of my control, and something that's so often used to demean and objectify women. (I wouldn't do it to my partner, either.)
And Odin's got a point, there - it's creepy to talk about men's genitalia, but not women's?
Anyhoo! The expressions in this comic are really great. I like the slow transition on Hannelore from unfocused freaking out to sleeping, as well as the palette for her. QC usually has really nice color sense.
tughluq:
--- Quote from: cabbagehut on 28 Feb 2011, 13:43 ---
I personally find the conversation about breasts a little uncomfortable. It's not like it makes me want to leave or anything, it just sort of reminds me that yep, objectification happens everywhere.
I'm going to pretend for a minute that I have a partner - if I found out he or she were discussing the pros and cons of my body on the internet? I would be incredibly hurt and yeah, really creeped out. I don't want to be tallied and analyzed on something that's so out of my control, and something that's so often used to demean and objectify women. (I wouldn't do it to my partner, either.)
And Odin's got a point, there - it's creepy to talk about men's genitalia, but not women's?
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I agree with this. I also really hate the idea that there might be "cons" about my body (which probably has everything to do with it being a woman's body... it sucks to be reminded that my body is an object constantly up for critique because of my gender). Large breasts obviously being celebrated as the ideal always kind of jars me out of my enjoyment of the comic.
Elysiana:
Man, don't let anyone convince you that you're subpar because of how your body is constructed! I used to be really self-conscious about that because I've always had small boobs for my weight - when I was 110 I barely needed a bra, when I was 150 they were a full A, and now that I'm around 190 they're a full B. Then I learned that most women don't like what size they are - they want to be bigger or smaller based on some unattainable ideal. There are advantages to all sizes - and disadvantages too!
As far as culture, it's always been kind of inherent to see body type as a reflection of health and virility, and what that type is changes from culture to culture. That doesn't mean that there aren't people who like other types! I've had to learn to laugh at the people who can't see past someone's body, though - I could sit and be hurt but it won't do me any good. If someone looks down on me because of my genetics, they're not worth my time anyway. Haters gonna hate.
I don't usually make such "yay celebrate your body" type remarks, but yay boobs, all of 'em!
westrim:
I feel it's important to note that we have not yet actually discussed female genitalia, just secondary sex characteristics.
--- Quote from: tughluq on 28 Feb 2011, 13:52 ---I agree with this. I also really hate the idea that there might be "cons" about my body (which probably has everything to do with it being a woman's body... it sucks to be reminded that my body is an object constantly up for critique because of my gender). Large breasts obviously being celebrated as the ideal always kind of jars me out of my enjoyment of the comic.
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So what, you believe that every body is perfect? Recognizing physical flaws doesn't make a body objectified, just recognized as being human. What importance we attach to those flaws and perhaps what we consider flaws may need changing, but yes, there are cons about your body and everyone else's. Dude's bodies too, we just don't confide our fears about it to other people as much as women do, again because of different measures of importance.
As for the comic, it in no way says that large breasts are better; that's what you are attaching to it. All it says is that they put Hannelore to sleep.
tughluq:
Yeah, I'm generally okay with my body, but it's just like "oh. right. cultural beauty standards again" sometimes. You know? My breasts are fairly 'medium' sized and I still feel that pressure that comes from the idea that women's bodies can *always be improved.* Gross.
--- Quote from: westrim on 28 Feb 2011, 14:28 ---
So what, you believe that every body is perfect? Recognizing physical flaws doesn't make a body objectified, just recognized as being human. What importance we attach to those flaws and perhaps what we consider flaws may need changing, but yes, there are cons about your body and everyone else's. Dude's bodies too, we just don't confide our fears about it to other people as much as women do, again because of different measures of importance.
As for the comic, it in no way says that large breasts are better; that's what you are attaching to it. All it says is that they put Hannelore to sleep.
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Yeah, sorry, but my body doesn't have "flaws" or cons because it's my body. Any perceived "flaws" are just products of subjective cultural standards. Speaking about breasts as if they're not attached to a person - not part of a whole - is what is kind of objectifying; it's part of this idea that women's bodies can and should be improved in parts and pieces.
And there have been more than this one comic where breasts are the focus/punchline... it's easier to notice if you are a person who is subject to ~beauty~ standards re: that body part.
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