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WCDT 7-11 March 2011 (1876-80)
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: westrim on 10 Mar 2011, 11:44 ---In regards to Dora, part of her neurosis is that under her veneer of socialism (not that one) is a fairly self centered person. Thus, though she may have recognized that she needs to talk about her brother in abstract, she wanted to talk about herself first and foremost with someone she finally didn't have to care about judging her, and later bring her issues with Sven or anyone else in as a secondary issue. Underlying her entire world view is the question "but what about me?", and she thought the therapy would answer that question- when what she needs to do is change the question, if that makes sense.
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This I completely agree with. Her whole life has been about one person, Dora, and her own needs. But, as you've said Westrim, Dora has this idea that the therapy will be all about her, that the therapist will answer the question of "what about Dora?" The thing is, all that question has don't has led her from one bad relationship to another, and the first relatively decent relationship she has had has seen Dora subconsciously trying to sabotage it from day one.
Actually, (and I'm not a psychiatrist so this might be a load of crap), but does anyone get the feeling that Dora suffers from Antisocial personality disorder? Just taking a quick look at the defining characteristics we have;
* Poor behavioural control - Anger, irritability, impatience, aggression - Espresso machine incident, the underwear incident, Cosette's asking Marten out, etc
* Tendency to violate personal boundries - Do I really need to give an example of that? Fine, ignoring Marten's requests to not look at his private internet history, and using Pintsize to get onto Marten's laptop
* Irresponsible work behavior - Leaving work in what was presumably the middle of the day to go and looking up her boyfriend's collection of porn, leaving Faye alone to deal with any customers.
* Poor and abusive relationships - Apparently all her boyfreinds before Marten.
Just a few characteristics (and we all know that other members of the cast probably have them in spades), but it really does puts things into perspective.
Odin:
Well I, for one, have always found goatkcd.com to be far more amusing than the original.
Deadlywonky:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 10 Mar 2011, 12:11 ---Isn't there some school of philosophy which holds that we only exist as the sum of our relationships with other people and things?
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Hegel referred to this obliquely, my understanding of German Idealism is flaky at best but it runs along the lines of:
"we are individuals but the world around us is made of universals, those universals are made by our interactions with others, our thoughts alone can never make these universals".
if anyone can phrase this better please correct me
odin:
from the newbies thread
--- Quote ---2. Internet Memes? Passe. There is nothing exciting or new about robots, pirates, ninjas, or all the other bullshit you heard mentioned one time and think is omg fucking hillarrrrrious. Again, it's been done before, and really we don't want to hear your take on the same tired cliche. When was the last time you heard a good cover of "Brown Eyed Girl"? Same principle.
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Goatse; really?
Kugai:
I definitely think that Hanners may have a bit of Vulcan blood in her family tree somewhere :-D
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 10 Mar 2011, 12:33 ---Actually, (and I'm not a psychiatrist so this might be a load of crap), but does anyone get the feeling that Dora suffers from Antisocial personality disorder? Just taking a quick look at the defining characteristics we have;
* Poor behavioural control - Anger, irritability, impatience, aggression - Espresso machine incident, the underwear incident, Cosette's asking Marten out, etc
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Too be fair, most of these incidents were at stressful (in one form or another) times. However, her reactions under stress are certainly something to be addressed in therapy...
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* Tendency to violate personal boundries - Do I really need to give an example of that? Fine, ignoring Marten's requests to not look at his private internet history, and using Pintsize to get onto Marten's laptop
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Not to mention crawling into bed with Faye, going off into a horny fugue state about Hanners, and there are probably other incidents. But different people heve different levels of personal boundaries. The porn thing was really an attempt at self-sabotage, anyway, I don't think I'd count it.
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* Irresponsible work behavior - Leaving work in what was presumably the middle of the day to go and looking up her boyfriend's collection of porn, leaving Faye alone to deal with any customers.
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Again, it's the same self-sabotage example. Other times when she's left work have mainly been things like spending time with Marten, or going to lunch, or taking care of some crisis. Really, it's just one of the perks of being the boss!
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* Poor and abusive relationships - Apparently all her boyfreinds before Marten.
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No argument with that one.
However, a quick search (I'm no psych-person either) shows that, though some of these are symptoms of antisocial personaliuty disorder, the actual diagnosis requires "...a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood." The issues usually verge on the criminal, and often include lying, stealing, constant irresponsibility, lack of remorse, lack of empathy, ...
She's just not that bad. If nothing else, we've certainly seen remorse. And if there's one thing she's not, it's consistant!
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