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WCDT 7-11 March 2011 (1876-80)
Odin:
--- Quote from: IanClark on 13 Mar 2011, 22:24 ---I know I'm coming late to this particular party, but...
Some of those are a bit of a stretch, but those are all examples where someone genuinely reveals that they find Marigold attractive.
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Only two or three of those actually have anything to do with Marigold's actual appearance and the rest of them are random strips where they're about interactions with her (that, again, have nothing to do with how attractive/not attractive Marigold is). Did you think nobody would actually look at all of the links you posted?
C- for effort after everyone had already moved to the other thread, though.
IanClark:
Shall I go through them one by one then? I'll even put a star by my favourite ones.
1. Marigold herself comments on how nice her chest looks in the dress.
2. Marigold tells Momo that other people said she looked pretty.
3. Hannelore's internal naivité causes her to think Marigold's had 12 boyfriends. Again, a bit of a stretch given that it doesn't directly imply she thinks Marigold is physically attractive, but given the often superficial nature of our society, one wouldn't likely expect an ugly person had had 12 boyfriends.
4. "I can't believe you've NEVER had a boyfriend! You're so pretty!" Hannelore's surprise seems genuine, but you'll probably disagree. Again, internal pessimism. Angus seconds Hannelore's notion, although he's probably more than capable of lying about it.
5. Angus backs up his previous sentiment. Again, his genuineness is called into question, but just because he might not be doesn't mean preclude the possibility that he is.
6. Angus is pretty clearly oggling her ass through the camera.
7.* Angus recalls a story about how one of his friends in college was not only convinced she was a porn star, but was actually so obsessed with trying to find her naked on the internet that it caused him to drop out senior year. Clearly, at the very least, that guy found her attractive.
8. Angus is compelled to do something by the "sad Marigold face". Whatever that's worth, I don't know, but I put it in there anyway.
9. "You look cute with bangs."
10. "It was cute. You're actually not a bad dancer."
11.* Dora is apparently literally unable to stop herself from hugging Marigold, literally just because she's so adorable.
12.** Double star for this one, because I literally think I could just go on this one and rest my case. Both Dora and Faye, both of whom not only know Sven intimately (in very different ways) but are both firmly of the opinion that he is shallow and bases his standards for who to fuck entirely on attractiveness, and are both fully aware that he doesn't just fuck anything that moves because he "can afford to be pretty picky about who (he) sleep(s) with", are both instantly concerned that Sven might try to seduce Marigold. In other words, they both think the guy who only seduces attractive women is going to seduce her, meaning they both consider her attractive. Also, note the usually candid Sven doesn't dismiss the idea that he finds her bangable, only the idea that he'd actually do it.
13. Dale appears to be flirting with Marigold until it all goes horribly wrong. Could be any number of other explanations, but you never know.
14. "Hey, you look great!" Okay, that one might not count. Notice he does compare her tits to a flood.
15.* Last panel, without Marigold in the room, everyone is undeniably fawning over her, even if it's mostly just her chest again. Both Tai and Dora agree they'd like to "use those boobs as a pillow" by which I'm pretty sure they're not completely platonically stating that they feel they'd sleep well on her mammary glands. In other words, her physical characteristics make them want to have sex with her. That's literally the dictionary definition of attractive.
16. Tai actually asks Marigold out. Sort of.
17.* Tai is again under the impression that Marigold wants to fuck her. And she's into it.
18. "Don't sell yourself short. I'd TOTALLY make out with you."
19. Even after being rejected (sort of), Tai propositions Marigold twice.
There you go, 19 explanations of 19 strips and how they all pertain to my argument.
--- Quote ---C- for effort after everyone had already moved to the other thread, though.
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You're a long way from Something Awful if you think anyone's going to confuse vitriol for actual wit or reasoning. I've given you a response and we both know these threads get used weeks after their week, so now it's your turn. For real this time.
Watched Pot:
i was thinking of making a list like that, but then realized i am too lazy. anyway, you are right about most of those comics pretty explicitly stating that people find marigold at least decently attractive.
Odin:
--- Quote from: IanClark on 14 Mar 2011, 20:39 ---Shall I go through them one by one then? I'll even put a star by my favourite ones.
1. Marigold herself comments on how nice her chest looks in the dress.
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Everyone in the last panel is drunk at the Fancy Hats bar (or whatever it's called) and having fun as the punchline to Angus being butt-hurt over not being invited and thinking that Marigold would hate being there; Marigold is (drunkenly) amused by what wearing a corset is doing to her boobs, a commentary that really doesn't offer an opinion one way or the other in terms of how attractive she thinks it is (and Dora is just being the usual go-to "LOL I'm obsessed with fucking!" character).
--- Quote ---2. Marigold tells Momo that other people said she looked pretty.
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Beer goggles will make people say strange things, also, look at her reaction when Momo doesn't give a shit.
--- Quote ---3. Hannelore's internal naivité causes her to think Marigold's had 12 boyfriends. Again, a bit of a stretch given that it doesn't directly imply she thinks Marigold is physically attractive, but given the often superficial nature of our society, one wouldn't likely expect an ugly person had had 12 boyfriends.
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You admit this one is a stretch so I'm not wasting time pointing out how dumb it is to reasonably expect someone in their mid-to-late 20s to have had fewer than a dozen boyfriends, both in the QC-verse and this one.
--- Quote ---4. "I can't believe you've NEVER had a boyfriend! You're so pretty!" Hannelore's surprise seems genuine, but you'll probably disagree. Again, internal pessimism. Angus seconds Hannelore's notion, although he's probably more than capable of lying about it.
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Hannelore is being Hannelore, Angus is being a smartass and you get the beginning of a prime example of why Marigold has such self-loathing (the whole arc where she ends up being obsessed with Angus over the tiniest bit of half-ass attention she gets that makes her think a guy is into her).
--- Quote ---5. Angus backs up his previous sentiment. Again, his genuineness is called into question, but just because he might not be doesn't mean preclude the possibility that he is.
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He uses it as a segue into asking for help finding cosplayer porn?
--- Quote ---6. Angus is pretty clearly oggling her ass through the camera.
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Pretty sure that if the situation played out the same way between guy room mates you wouldn't be so quick to bring this up like it means Angus thinks the person in question is attractive (but if so, :psyduck: ).
--- Quote ---7.* Angus recalls a story about how one of his friends in college was not only convinced she was a porn star, but was actually so obsessed with trying to find her naked on the internet that it caused him to drop out senior year. Clearly, at the very least, that guy found her attractive.
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Yeah, but that story sounds like Angus spinning a yarn of complete bullshit for the sake of messing with Marigold (like half the shit Angus does to get a rise out of people).
--- Quote ---8. Angus is compelled to do something by the "sad Marigold face". Whatever that's worth, I don't know, but I put it in there anyway.
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This one really is worth very little, what with the Guilt Trip being the motivation and all.
--- Quote ---9. "You look cute with bangs."
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"Does this mean you're going to wash it more than twice a year now?"
--- Quote ---10. "It was cute. You're actually not a bad dancer."
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See #7.
--- Quote ---11.* Dora is apparently literally unable to stop herself from hugging Marigold, literally just because she's so adorable.
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Dora has made "jokes" about wanting to have sex with every single other character in the strip at some point, so her judgment on what is and isn't attractive isn't really the best thing to go by. Also, "adorable" != "attractive", etc.
People think duckbill platypuses are cute, but they don't want to fuck them.
--- Quote ---12.** Double star for this one, because I literally think I could just go on this one and rest my case. Both Dora and Faye, both of whom not only know Sven intimately (in very different ways) but are both firmly of the opinion that he is shallow and bases his standards for who to fuck entirely on attractiveness, and are both fully aware that he doesn't just fuck anything that moves because he "can afford to be pretty picky about who (he) sleep(s) with", are both instantly concerned that Sven might try to seduce Marigold. In other words, they both think the guy who only seduces attractive women is going to seduce her, meaning they both consider her attractive. Also, note the usually candid Sven doesn't dismiss the idea that he finds her bangable, only the idea that he'd actually do it.
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Sven acts more pissed because he's trying to get his book back and Dora is being a bitch about him walking into her coffee shop than anything else. He doesn't dignify the accusation with a response because the whole thing is beneath him, not because he finds her "bangable". The next strip is him messing with someone that clearly acts like she's afraid of him and getting a laugh out of it ("Boo! Haha!").
--- Quote ---13. Dale appears to be flirting with Marigold until it all goes horribly wrong. Could be any number of other explanations, but you never know.
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Dale is a WoW nerd that delivers pizzas for a living, but even forgiving that he's being incredibly clumsy if that is what passes for flirting these days.
--- Quote ---14. "Hey, you look great!" Okay, that one might not count. Notice he does compare her tits to a flood.
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"Oh no! The Levee broke, warn the townsfolk down stream!" isn't very attractive imagery, though.
--- Quote ---15.* Last panel, without Marigold in the room, everyone is undeniably fawning over her, even if it's mostly just her chest again. Both Tai and Dora agree they'd like to "use those boobs as a pillow" by which I'm pretty sure they're not completely platonically stating that they feel they'd sleep well on her mammary glands. In other words, her physical characteristics make them want to have sex with her. That's literally the dictionary definition of attractive.
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This would be more compelling if they were talking about actually fondling them or something, but "using them for a pillow"? Really? I wasn't aware the QC-verse was so vanilla in it's sexual antics.
--- Quote ---16. Tai actually asks Marigold out. Sort of.
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I think you lost count or something, because #16 is this one. Tai isn't even in it, but this was the other of the "two" relative ones I mentioned in my earlier post that gives you credit for finding one where people act like she's attractive (in an incredibly shitty way, because they're just focusing on her boobs and not her in any meaningful context).
--- Quote ---17.* Tai is again under the impression that Marigold wants to fuck her. And she's into it.
18. "Don't sell yourself short. I'd TOTALLY make out with you."
19. Even after being rejected (sort of), Tai propositions Marigold twice.
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The problem with Tai is that she comes across as unbelievably desperate every time the subject of sex comes up. I'll give you these provisionally if you'll agree that Marigold doesn't seem to be too impressed with Tai's opinion of her, given how she continues to act later.
--- Quote ---There you go, 19 explanations of 19 strips and how they all pertain to my argument.
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Okay, rebuttals and responses above where appropriate.
--- Quote ---You're a long way from Something Awful if you think anyone's going to confuse vitriol for actual wit or reasoning. I've given you a response and we both know these threads get used weeks after their week, so now it's your turn. For real this time.
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Most of them usually die by about Wednesday of the next week (except the drama bomb ones) with people just finishing up whatever discussions they were having when the next week started, actually, but whatever. Your turn.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: Odin on 15 Mar 2011, 07:01 ---I'm not wasting time pointing out how dumb it is to reasonably expect someone in their mid-to-late 20s to have had fewer than a dozen boyfriends,
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However, the world is full of people you might view as unreasonable, and it is not dumb to realise that. For instance, I am well past my 20s but have only had two girlfriends in my life (each of whom I married).
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