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LITURGY is fixing heavy metal, and there's nothing you can do to stop them

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David_Dovey:

--- Quote from: Johnny C on 06 Apr 2011, 20:50 ---i wonder if that argument's a bit specious though, dovey. it certainly strikes me as problematic that one must share x worldview to play y music.
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Well it's not like every black metal musician has to actually believe what he's saying. I'm not sure what's controversial about saying that black metal is largely defined by non-musical concerns. I'm not theorising in the abstract here, this is based on the acknowledged corpus of works which are popularly defined as being "black metal", and which is defined more by lyrical content or admittedly more ephemeral things like "atmosphere" or "tone". In other words, you can completely omit all of the musical components which to the casual observer seem like the very cornerstones of black metal- lo-fi production, blast beats, tremolo riffs- and still be making black metal. It's not like it's even THAT specific. The acceptable parameters to be making black metal are pretty broad and well-trodden but what Liturgy are doing is not just outside of those bounds but quite pointedly and deliberately opposite to that.

Like, honestly I think maybe you misunderstand the extent to which I'm positing black metal has to be orthodox, or the narrowness of what is acceptable.

It's actually a lot closer to the example you give about xSxExHxCx, i.e;


--- Quote from: Alternate Universe Johnny C on 06 Apr 2011, 20:59 ---you have to be grim... but there are different ideologies behind being grim

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KvP:

--- Quote from: JD on 06 Apr 2011, 21:22 ---
--- Quote from: JimmyJazz on 06 Apr 2011, 21:17 ---I mean c'mon, he calls his music "transcendental black metal" which is the most megalomaniacal genre-name I've ever heard

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One of the links Kveep posted called it metallic math rock which I think is a much better descriptor.

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But if you call it that, Hunter Hunt-Hendrix doesn't get to feel like the brilliant musical revolutionary he plainly is.

Personally I'd call it, I don't know, blackened prog metal?

Johnny C:

--- Quote from: David_Dovey on 06 Apr 2011, 21:28 ---I'm not sure what's controversial about saying that black metal is largely defined by non-musical concerns.

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that it's a thing that basically makes black metal special and privileged? that it's a thing of exclusion that basically doesn't make any sense cause it has nothing to do with like the music itself? the idea that saying "you can only be grim to make it" is non-controversial should precisely be a thing of controversy because it implies that you can't challenge norms within it which is like total baloney.

KvP:
Dude Johnny that's how music is now, because of the internet. really.


--- Quote ---The point of this whole piece is that something new has happened here for the music world. We now live in a world where genres aren’t controlled by elite media writers or journalists who get to coin new music terms like they did in the past with weak names that we now use everyday such as Shoegaze, Grunge, etc. This may be a good thing… just maybe. In this case, this genre was spread virally starting with one person using tagging as a method to define a genre. Once it was tagged and others had found it, it was a matter of others accepting this genre as a reality and then it became a reality. Fake Genre or Real Genre?; there is no difference anymore.
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Liturgy - The Salem of Transcendent Black Metal??

Johnny C:
i have no idea what you're saying or how it like counters my point unless you're making an argument against genre???

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