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LITURGY is fixing heavy metal, and there's nothing you can do to stop them
David_Dovey:
I'm sorry if this is incoherent, I feel like I'm being pretty incoherent. Thanks for hanging in there.
David_Dovey:
One last thing (hopefully): I've been trying to come up with a good analogy for all this because I love analogies. What I've got so far still isn't even close to perfect but I'm gonna throw it out there and see if it sticks anyway.
Guys, remember in the early nineties, when there was a rash of factory-line major-label hip-hop dudes who rhymed about really safe subjects and just pretty much seemed anathema to everything that was interesting to hip-hop, particularly post-NWA and Public Enemy? Guys like Marky Mark and M.C. Hammer and whoever the fuck else?
I mean, they had old soul and funk samples in their songs and spoke rhythmically in rhyming couplets and wore gold chains and baggy pants, so they were nominally rap artists, but so much of what they were saying and their presentation seemed in direct opposition to everything that put rap in the center of culture in the first place.
Rap, more than the superficial stylistic indicators represents an organic and accessible form created by inner-city minorities to allow them to accurately express what they wanted to, and guys like Marky Mark represented something that, while sounding superficially similar to, say, Grandmaster Flash, ultimately represented a very suburban viewpoint.
Basically what I am saying is that Liturgy is the black metal Funky Bunch
JD:
Liturgy just takes the fun out of black metal?
JD:
what the fuck does liturgy mean anyway
KvP:
--- Quote from: Johnny C on 06 Apr 2011, 21:50 ---i mean "look at this american guy from brooklyn who spoke about his music in public at a symposium in academic terms" is basically the gist of it and you can probably guess the top three reasons at least that i'm uncomfortable with that being a problem with a musician
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Like I never brought up the fact that this guy was from Brooklyn, or an American? Neither of those things really matter. Dovey brought up Brooklyn and so did Tommy, but I didn't. I'm pretty taken aback by your lack of reading comprehension here.
And no, really, come on, I fuckin' refuse to believe that you are totally oblivious to why I might find this guy extremely pompous. Listen to what he says from here, where he says "we're taking black metal as seriously as possible", like people who play black metal don't take it seriously and the genre's just been waiting for a real musician like him to come and make it real. I don't even like black metal! But I know that the people who love it take it very seriously, and to imply that the genre is somehow not serious is pretty fucking insulting to them, and I think he talks like an absolute dickhole there, and in many other places.
But ultimately, I'm not so interested in defending anything I have to say. I only like to be judged on whether it's interesting or not. I'm an American, I have read books.
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