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LITURGY is fixing heavy metal, and there's nothing you can do to stop them
StaedlerMars:
I always read fyp as Fuck Your Post and qft as Quit Fucking Talking.
I think this probably says a lot about me.
Inlander:
--- Quote from: Zingoleb on 12 Apr 2011, 12:02 ---it took forever for me to figure out 'fyp' wasn't 'fixed your post'
--- End quote ---
It isn't?!
Chad K.:
Let me preface this by saying that I read the interviews and watched the video and found them to be pretty pretentious. I'm also not crazy about the music. But, I think that these guys are being saddled with things they aren't actually saying. I didn't see anything about "fixing" black metal or "transcending" black metal. They're pretty consistent in talking about a transcendent "in the moment" experience.
It reminds me of interviews and books from the bop and free jazz era in the 50's following the big band era. If you've ever tried playing free jazz or improv music, you play whatever seems like it will work in the moment with minimal structure or forethought. The strange thing is, you will start to find that the musicians you are playing with will anticipate or have the same thoughts at the same time in terms of when to change, fills, dynamics, etc. It's a hard experience to explain, but it is pretty amazing when it works. The 50's beat writers talked about that experience as transcendence. In fact, the word "beat," though often thought to refer to rhythm, is rumored to have been coined by Jack Kerouac as a shortened form of "beatific," which is a communion with god. Kerouac was a french Catholic, which has a tradition of "beatific visions." He applied that idea to the Jazz music of his day, i.e. the musicians are having an experience that transcends the music.
I believe this band is saying the same thing. Essentially, they seem to be saying that black metal, like big band, is good music, but has a lot of structure and emphasis on technicality that can obscure some of the emotion. They are just stripping away some of the song structure aside from chord changes, as a means of getting a more emotional "in the moment" response. But instead of saying "We like to keep it loose because it's fun and it's cool when we're all on the same page" they said "Like, I wrote a manifesto, like."
Chad K.:
Which is why I'm not crazy about it. It's funny, because they cite to Ornette Coleman as an influence, but I don't think they have any understanding of the principles behind what Coleman or other improv and freeform musicians are trying to accomplish. It's not the pretension, it's the lack of execution which is made worse by the pretension.
David_Dovey:
Yeah I'm pretty sure this thread collectively arrived at that point like, twice already? I mean, it's not like people her have no time for insane overboard pontificating about music-type stuff (see: this thread, see also: every other thread). It's the contrast between the high-mindedness of the rhetoric and the utter mediocrity of the songwriting.
Not to mention that aside from HHH not really having anything but a cursory understanding of what motivates and makes Ornette Coleman special, he also lacks similar understanding of literally everything else he namedrops too.
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