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WCDT 25-29 Apr 2011 (1911-1915)
Skewbrow:
This horse is mostly sausages by now, but...
Historically LJA has a point. Homosexuals have been treated badly in the past. The first QC-related example that comes to mind is Alan Turing (the math dude who saved Britain during WWII by breaking the German cipher, but was prosecuted and driven to suicide shortly afterwards).
However, this is the 21st century. Apparently LJA's media exposure is totally distinct from mine. At least in these parts the last couple years gays/lesbians have been the media darlings. Every talk show seems to have a quota of homosexual participants to be filled, gay/lesbian politicians and artists get a lot of air time et cetera. Of course, this proves that we still have a problem! Unless I'm mistaken the goal is that a person's sexual orientation would not be news worthy at all. Something at par with, whether he or she is right or left-handed, or has coffee or tea at breakfast. At the moment we are at a point, where the young, educated generation seems to be taking variations in sexual orientation for granted. Somewhat older people (including yours truly??) are sorta walking on eggshells, have a little bit trouble acting naturally, and might prefer not to discuss the matter at all. Media is flaunting its political correctness. Not the ideal situation, but probably a necessary point on the learning curve?
Mind you, the backwash of too much PC forced down certain people's throats is coming up here, too. I am not living in a politically correct heaven free of rednecks by any means.
DSL:
There's PC and there's ordinary decency. One, you choose to practice yourself. The other is an attitude you try to make everyone else adopt ... Sometimes on behalf of another who may or may not particularly want you speaking or acting on their behalf. One helps people get along.. The other usually results in the opposite.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: LoveJaneAusten on 30 Apr 2011, 12:19 ---Just look at pwhodges; he was unaware of the “lesbians recruiting straight women” stereotype until this thread. And yet the stereotype existed before that.
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I remain unaware of it, in that I can't think of any portrayal of a lesbian that I have come across which has shown this as a stereotype, in spite of it being mentioned here and on the Jezebel site.
Mind you, I don't read the Daily Mail or The Sun.
tomart:
--- Quote from: DSL on 01 May 2011, 15:05 ---There's PC and there's ordinary decency. One, you choose to practice yourself. The other is an attitude you try to make everyone else adopt ... Sometimes on behalf of another who may or may not particularly want you speaking or acting on their behalf. One helps people get along.. The other usually results in the opposite.
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Well said. I especially resent those who get all intolerant and censorshippy on behalf of "the cheeldren!"... then many of said children get all interested in the Forbidden Stuff, and - ironically - go seek it out.
--- Quote from: DSL ---The Bitter Barista could be the one to stop our little libidinous librarian dead in her tracks.
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The new Monday comic features both of your alliterative actors! : )
Carl-E:
--- Quote from: Skewbrow on 01 May 2011, 13:59 ---This horse is mostly sausages by now, but...
Historically LJA has a point. Homosexuals have been treated badly in the past. The first QC-related example that comes to mind is Alan Turing (the math dude who saved Britain during WWII by breaking the German cipher, but was prosecuted and driven to suicide shortly afterwards).
However, this is the 21st century. Apparently LJA's media exposure is totally distinct from mine. At least in these parts the last couple years gays/lesbians have been the media darlings. Every talk show seems to have a quota of homosexual participants to be filled, gay/lesbian politicians and artists get a lot of air time et cetera. Of course, this proves that we still have a problem! Unless I'm mistaken the goal is that a person's sexual orientation would not be news worthy at all. Something at par with, whether he or she is right or left-handed, or has coffee or tea at breakfast. At the moment we are at a point, where the young, educated generation seems to be taking variations in sexual orientation for granted. Somewhat older people (including yours truly??) are sorta walking on eggshells, have a little bit trouble acting naturally, and might prefer not to discuss the matter at all. Media is flaunting its political correctness. Not the ideal situation, but probably a necessary point on the learning curve?
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As I recall, you're not in the US, but rather in a fairly progressive country in northern Europe (Denmark?). It's really not that way here in the US at all, especially away from the two coasts. While Barney Frank (of Massachssetts) is openly gay, there are few other politicians who are brave enough to be open about it, especially from the mid- and soutwestern parts of the country. The rise in popularity of evangelical christianity has als led to a rather strong backlash against homosexuality in this country for the last decade or so. Yes, we see more of them in the media, and the media does prefer the heavy hand of a stereotype when portraying them (as it does with damn near everything else). And some aspects of these portrayals are problematic in that people who are anti-homosexual can seize on them and use them to point out (screaming all the way) that this "lifestyle" is "evil" (or whatever the popular buzzwords are now in that closed circle of minds...)
So I agree with Jane to a great extent. But I also know that this is Tai, her personality, her character. And that character was carefully developed over the last 1000 strips or so. It doesn't stop some people from completely misinterpreting her actions, and taken alone would indeed strengthen a negative stereotype in a lot of people's minds. But I really can't fault Jeph for the portrayal!
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