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Why does Dora need therapy?
azurite:
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And you will note that Dora appears to have turned round to blaming Marten (by implication) for the breakup - when she said the opposite at the time. Do you admire the ability to change like that?
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I think it's a bit of a leap from "not regarding Marten as perfect in every way" to "blaming Marten by implication for the break-up".
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Yeah, it's a leap. She might actually be calling Faye out on how Angus practically needed a PhD in diplomacy just to approach Faye with the idea that he was attracted to her--also, you know, it could be possible that Dora's still working through some residual resentment about Faye leaving Marten on the hook for as long as she did. I like Faye, but there's been a lot of relationship drama around her. I'd say significantly more than any regular in the strip, with respect to both number of people she's had drama with, number of bystanders dragged into the drama, and length of time it took the drama to play out. I could see a friend, even one who loves her dearly, getting burned out on it, especially at the flip drop of the word "creepers."
BUT. If Dora is talking about Marten? Hey, look, that might be THE DIRECT IMPACT OF THERAPY. Dora is recognizing that her crazy wasn't the only problem between them, that Marten also played a role in the failure of their relationship. There might have been some basic compatibility issues. There might have been some problems between them that she was simply in denial about even after they first broke up. Not loving the passive-aggressive subtext of her delivery here, but if these are new ideas she's sorting through, she's probably not going to be real good at talking about them with people other than her therapist. Which probably means she should stick to talking about them with her therapist, for now.
Also remember that it's been quite some time since the breakup, and Marten's been doing a pretty good job at hiding from Dora (and my saying that does not exclude the possibility that Dora has also done some things to reduce the possibility of running into Marten--it's just that Marten is the one making major alterations to his daily routine.) I might be hitting a wall with teh drama implications of that, too, especially if I was nearly 30.
TRVA123:
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 13 Jun 2011, 08:37 ---For the simple reason that it's Dora's life and she can live it how she chooses. She still goes to work, she doesn't alienate her friends, etc. She's not crying all day at work...she looks to be doing just fine given she just had a big breakup not too long ago. I can't say her problems are any worse than any of the QC cast; I could make a case that every single person in this strip needs therapy for something.
Therapy is a personal choice. Personal. How would you like it if your friends tried to push you into therapy after a breakup instead of just consoling you? I know you won't entertain this thought for me, but it would be rude.
I have nothing against therapy, provided the person going wants to go. It's beneficial, but it's not neccesarily needed. Are we saying that without therapy Dora will NEVER settle down with someone? Her dating Jim and ignoring Faye is ruining her life? No, I dont think so.
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Just as it is Dora's choice, it is also the other's right to question her choices. Part of the reason therapy looks like a good suggestion for Dora is that there is an outside accountability. You have regular meetings with someone who helps you examine how you've been handling life and whether it is bringing about the results you desire. Think of it in terms of education, you could decide to study a subject on your own, in your own time, planning to master it within four months, but most people don't have the self discipline to follow through on that. So people go to school, where a mentor guides them through the subject, keeping them on task and encouraging them to make progress towards their goal.
If Dora could find a way to work through her issues on her own that would also be fine, but she can't, or should I say she hasn't. Part of it is being lazy and part of it is that most people are resistant to the idea that they could be at fault. The Dora-Marten ship sinking wasn't entirely Dora's fault, but many of the big fights were started by her.
Just because Dora's life hasn't fallen to shit in every aspect possible doesn't mean that Dora's life is fine. It has been established in the comic that the part of Dora's life where she has problems is in her ability to have healthy romantic relationships. SHE has acknowledged that this is a problem for her.
Tiogyr:
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--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 13 Jun 2011, 08:37 ---For the simple reason that it's Dora's life and she can live it how she chooses. She still goes to work, she doesn't alienate her friends, etc. She's not crying all day at work...she looks to be doing just fine given she just had a big breakup not too long ago. I can't say her problems are any worse than any of the QC cast; I could make a case that every single person in this strip needs therapy for something.
Therapy is a personal choice. Personal. How would you like it if your friends tried to push you into therapy after a breakup instead of just consoling you? I know you won't entertain this thought for me, but it would be rude.
I have nothing against therapy, provided the person going wants to go. It's beneficial, but it's not neccesarily needed. Are we saying that without therapy Dora will NEVER settle down with someone? Her dating Jim and ignoring Faye is ruining her life? No, I dont think so.
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Just as it is Dora's choice, it is also the other's right to question her choices. Part of the reason therapy looks like a good suggestion for Dora is that there is an outside accountability. You have regular meetings with someone who helps you examine how you've been handling life and whether it is bringing about the results you desire. Think of it in terms of education, you could decide to study a subject on your own, in your own time, planning to master it within four months, but most people don't have the self discipline to follow through on that. So people go to school, where a mentor guides them through the subject, keeping them on task and encouraging them to make progress towards their goal.
If Dora could find a way to work through her issues on her own that would also be fine, but she can't, or should I say she hasn't. Part of it is being lazy and part of it is that most people are resistant to the idea that they could be at fault. The Dora-Marten ship sinking wasn't entirely Dora's fault, but many of the big fights were started by her.
Just because Dora's life hasn't fallen to shit in every aspect possible doesn't mean that Dora's life is fine. It has been established in the comic that the part of Dora's life where she has problems is in her ability to have healthy romantic relationships. SHE has acknowledged that this is a problem for her.
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It's a little hard to fault Dora moving into the "the breakup was also somewhat Marten's fault" camp when Marten's own mother showed up to offer her condolences over the relationship not working out.
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 13 Jun 2011, 11:59 ---It's a little hard to fault Dora moving into the "the breakup was also somewhat Marten's fault" camp when Marten's own mother showed up to offer her condolences over the relationship not working out.
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While during the same visit Veronica admits she would seduce Sven under different circumstances, goes to see Dora behind Marten's back and earlier humiliates Marten in front of a complete stranger, so I think Veronica's judgement for most of that visit was seriously in doubt.
stoutfiles:
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 13 Jun 2011, 09:13 ---So are you unable, or unwilling to provide support for you claims? All I have seen is your opinions, which is not nearly enough. We've provided comics as evidence for why Dora should at least talk to someone, while you've just twisted them, or in some cases, ignored them. So, I put to you, where is your evidence? Not opinions, but solid evidence.
I've seen nothing from you that supports anything you claim. Thats all I want.
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That would be every comic where she and Marten fought and/or disagreed. Im not going through the strip history to find them. The relationship wasn't perfect to begin with, Dora didn't sink it all by herself.
Even though this is what you consider a opinion, some people would not want to date someone who had feelings for their friend first. I don't declare that therapy worthy, and Svens friends were likely douchebags. I'd like to see one relationship with a good, somewhat successful guy on a clean slate. If that fails then maybe somethings wrong, but I currently think she's just made bad relationship choices.
As for Dora wanting Faye to mind her own business, today's comic is plenty evidence. It was ok at first for Faye to care, but now it's just rude telling her she can't live her life.
If you choose to believe she's so troubled that therapy is the only answer, then ok. We can agree to disagree. I guess Jeph will prove one of us wrong soon enough.
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