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Why does Dora need therapy?
stoutfiles:
--- Quote from: Spectreofwar on 15 Jun 2011, 12:40 ---You ignored plenty of posts. Your opinion isn't often presented as opinion, and you twist what the characters say (even going so far as to state that they said things they didn't), and simply having a differing opinion doesn't make a topic "opinionated."
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Only because it gets tiring repeating the same points. I'll sum them up.
1) Yes, Dora had bad relationships in the past. Who hasn't? As for Sven, they appear to be getting along much better as Sven has begun to change his ways. Without therapy, mind you.
2) I ignore Dora's problems with Marten because I thought the relationship was doomed from the start, for reasons I've posted many times. If you don't agree with them, then ok.
So we'll just see how she does with Jim. If she flips out for no reason, then I'd be more inclined to shift the other way. So far though, Marten and some off-screen relationships aren't enough evidence for me to say she can't go on without therapy. I would say I've done a better job of expressing my thoughts as opinions then some of the return opinions I've gotten.
A topic is "opinionated" when it involves something personal such as therapy. There may be a better way to lean on the issue, but there is no correct answer.
--- Quote from: Spectreofwar on 15 Jun 2011, 12:40 ---TheEvilDog also never said that you're foolish because your opinions differ, he said ignoring the opinion of others (and I assume he means those, like throughout this thread, who have something material to back up their opinion) is foolish. Quite different statements.
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I have acknowledged all opinions. I just don't agree with them regarding her needing therapy. Most of her issues are justified, and the others don't add up enough to warrant her being pushed into therapy. Sorry, that's how I feel.
--- Quote from: Spectreofwar on 15 Jun 2011, 12:40 ---By the way, if I may be so bold, "we" happens to be most of the people in this thread. You need only re-read it to understand that.
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I wasn't aware that everyone who disagreed with Dora needing therapy also agreed that we want to learn more about her past. Maybe some people want her to get therapy but off screen as they don't like her much? I just don't think using 'we' is a good word to use if you branch off to other opinions.
Elysiana:
I'm just curious, not trying to be leading - what do you personally feel are good reasons for a person to go into therapy?
stoutfiles:
--- Quote from: Elysiana on 15 Jun 2011, 19:13 ---I'm just curious, not trying to be leading - what do you personally feel are good reasons for a person to go into therapy?
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Therapy is so broad that any negative trait, event, etc. can be worked out with therapy. I know people that went just because they get so many free sessions a year for work. I have nothing against therapy.
However, if you don't want to go, is it worth it? Dora has little free time, probably not a ton of money, and doesn't think very highly of therapy. Is it worth her time and money to go to a therapist if she won't give it her full effort? She's ready for a therapist when she wants to be; otherwise, it'll be a waste of time/money.
If her problems ever got to the point where she isn't living her life anymore (going to work, meeting new people, seeing her friends) then I lean more towards her getting some help. I don't see that happening though, everyone has problems and the majority of us work through them without the help of therapy. I'd put Dora in the majority. That said, if she deicded she was all for therapy and kept going, then more power to her. It's a personal decision.
The main issue I've had with all this is Dora feels like she's being pushed into it. Even at work she's being bugged about it. Dora could just as easily turn around and start pointing out the rest of the QC cast and their crippling issues. Most of them have issues worse than Dora but they aren't being bugged. It's almost like Dora is being picked on. It's just rude. I don't think anyone here, after a breakup, would want to be told you need therapy for breaking up with someone, and then bugged constantly about it. That's just how I feel. Faye is very pushy most of the time; I'd tell her to back off.
Spectreofwar:
I actually had decided against bringing up a point-by-point post before, but I want to be clear here.
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 15 Jun 2011, 18:59 ---1) Yes, Dora had bad relationships in the past. Who hasn't? As for Sven, they appear to be getting along much better as Sven has begun to change his ways. Without therapy, mind you.
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Dora's relationships aren't the total sum of why those of us agree that she could use therapy (and I say "agree" because she has stated intentions of dealing with her issues), so continuing to go at the relationship level is rather moot at this point.
--- Quote ---2) I ignore Dora's problems with Marten because I thought the relationship was doomed from the start, for reasons I've posted many times. If you don't agree with them, then ok.
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My apologies if I'm misunderstanding, but what I gathered from your original post and many that followed is that you were actually pretty focused on Dora's problems with Marten, for which you supplied reasons that could not be fully substantiated in the comics (and some that were conjecture and supposition). I have no opinion as to whether or not Dora and Marten were doomed or not, as relationships (particularly fictitious ones) tend to be rather fluid and biased to the direction the author intends. What I read from your posts was quite the opposite of you ignoring her problems with Marten. Please correct me if I am wrong on this matter.
--- Quote ---So we'll just see how she does with Jim. If she flips out for no reason, then I'd be more inclined to shift the other way. So far though, Marten and some off-screen relationships aren't enough evidence for me to say she can't go on without therapy. I would say I've done a better job of expressing my thoughts as opinions then some of the return opinions I've gotten.
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I'm afraid I must disagree here, as once again I'll state that Dora's requirement(?) for therapy does not hinge on just this one aspect of her. I will also (respectfully) disagree with your assessment of the presentations of your side of the argument on the basis of a lack of supporting links or direct quotes. Others have supplied such for their arguments.
--- Quote ---A topic is "opinionated" when it involves something personal such as therapy. There may be a better way to lean on the issue, but there is no correct answer.
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While both the methods and the outcomes of therapy may be personalized and differ from person to person, as a legitimate medical practice it does have some difinitve right and wrong aspects. As someone who has had therapy for a good portion of his early 20's, I can easily tell you that there are distinct benefits, even for the small things in life, that such treatment can grant. They are quantifiable and visible. This is not an opinion; it is documented, which is why we have professions such as Psychologists, Psychiatrists, and Counsellors.
--- Quote ---I just don't agree with them regarding her needing therapy. Most of her issues are justified, and the others don't add up enough to warrant her being pushed into therapy. Sorry, that's how I feel.
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Judging a person by your standards as to whether or not that person needs or doesn't need to go could just as easily be applied to Faye as it could to you; I agree, she needs to make her own decision. In therapy, the only way a person can get better is if they want to get better.
Such as what she says here.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1357
Along with the desire to get better, exemplified here.
http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1467
So while Dora may be pushed by Faye from time to time, it's what Faye does and they have been getting along that way since the beginning of the comic, presumably even before that. Faye DOES have experience with it, and Dora has indeed expressed the desire to go and fix her issues. If she has a relationship, with ANYONE, and she brings in baggage from her past that she, in all honesty, doesn't want to bring but can't find a way to not bring it in, she should by all means consider therapy. Faye knows this, has spoken to her about this, and is actually being a good friend in pushing her. Besides that, strip 1946 hardly has Faye "pushing" her, and even if someone would take it that way Dora handled it well - just like she has most every suggestion Faye has made.
EvilDuckyBec:
Let me just preface this by saying that I am neither on the "Dora definitely needs therapy" side or the "Dora definitely does not need therapy" side. I do, however, disagree with this point of stoutfiles'.
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 15 Jun 2011, 18:59 ---1) Yes, Dora had bad relationships in the past. Who hasn't?
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There is a difference between a bad relationship and an abusive relationship. From what Sven says here (http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1746) it sounds to me like many of Dora's previous relationships were borderline abusive at least. It may be normal to have a few bad relationships, I don't know. I do not believe it is normal to have several (I'd say three or more, or Marten would have said, "She's said both of her old boyfriends were assholes" rather than "all" in that strip) really bad/possibly abusive relationships, although perhaps I am just being an idealist when I say that.
I've never posted before, and am unlikely to do so again any time soon, but I do think that this needed to be pointed out.
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