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Why does Dora need therapy?
Emperor Norton:
--- Quote from: stoutfiles on 09 Jun 2011, 17:19 ---Marten actually comes out and says what he's feeling for once and it's supposedly flimsy, but when Marten says what any "Nice Guy" would say when given a situation, it's fact. That would be interesting to live in a world where no one white lies, ever.
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Must be an interesting world where everyone is lying to themselves and everyone else all the time unless they are drunk.
Seriously, in order for your theory to make sense, Marten has to be lying almost every time he opens his mouth. Dora has to be lying about the whole reason things went south, to EVERYONE, including herself considering she did go to therapy over it.
I get it, you don't like Marten. Good for you. But seriously, you are practically making shit up with no support in the comic outside of one very dumb comment that Marten made while emotionally destroyed and so drunk he blacked it out, that could very easily have a dozen other reasons for coming out of his mouth other than "This is what I'm really feeling all the time." Honestly, my take on it is that he was projecting exactly what Dora said she feared, because that seemed to be exactly what she expected. It seemed like spite at Dora. Is this absolutely what happened and what he was thinking? I don't know. But its just as supported as your theory on that one comment.
And outside that one comic, nothing supports your argument that she dumped him because he was unambitious and not good enough for her. At least, nothing I can remember or find. I invite you to find support for this from the characters themselves. If you can I'll reassess, until then, I don't see the point of me continuing this discussion.
stoutfiles:
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 09 Jun 2011, 17:50 ---Seriously, in order for your theory to make sense, Marten has to be lying almost every time he opens his mouth. Dora has to be lying about the whole reason things went south, to EVERYONE, including herself considering she did go to therapy over it.
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Could be a repressed emotion, but the fact is he would have rather been with Faye.
Dora tried to get over it and couldn't. She went to therapy because Faye said she would beat her up and because she convinced her that something was horribly wrong with her.
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 09 Jun 2011, 17:50 ---I get it, you don't like Marten. Good for you. But seriously, you are practically making shit up with no support in the comic outside of one very dumb comment that Marten made while emotionally destroyed and so drunk he blacked it out, that could very easily have a dozen other reasons for coming out of his mouth other than "This is what I'm really feeling all the time." Honestly, my take on it is that he was projecting exactly what Dora said she feared, because that seemed to be exactly what she expected. It seemed like spite at Dora. Is this absolutely what happened and what he was thinking? I don't know. But its just as supported as your theory on that one comment.
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Marten is nice, which is great, but he doesn't add anything to a relationship. I don't see someone like Dora being happy with him. She clearly wasn't.
--- Quote from: Emperor Norton on 09 Jun 2011, 17:50 ---And outside that one comic, nothing supports your argument that she dumped him because he was unambitious and not good enough for her. At least, nothing I can remember or find. I invite you to find support for this from the characters themselves. If you can I'll reassess, until then, I don't see the point of me continuing this discussion.
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It's more about Faye of course, but if Marten was worth keeping she would have. This wasn't the point anyway, the point is that Dora does not have horrible issues for not being happy with Marten or one of Sven's loser friends. If you honestly think she needs therapy, then like I've said before, just about everyone on Earth needs therapy.
questionablecontentfan:
I do hope she eventually dates Jim... : )
I think Jim is a nice guy, successful himself. The only potential red flag is if the ex wife shows up, but hopefully that won't happen. : )
questionablecontentfan:
I also need to point out: LOOK AT THE THINGS HE SAYS during that drunken thing. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1818
"Paving the way for other dudes" "Gettin' you over your bullshit" etc etc. He is showing the baggage that he has over the fact that Faye wouldn't be with him. He is still upset over the fact that he couldn't be with Faye. He is, in effect, saying the things he would say to Faye if he had the courage to. And quite honestly, Faye deserves it! I only wish he could have said it sober. What she did to him was HORRIBLE!
It is not merely a drunken rampage. The things he is saying show that he's not 100 percent over Faye. Dora was absolutely right to end it. If Marten can't get over this, how could he be with Dora?
I hate revisiting that, because it reminds me why I hate Faye so much, but I had to prove a point here.
iduguphergrave:
--- Quote from: questionablecontentfan on 09 Jun 2011, 19:02 ---I also need to point out: LOOK AT THE THINGS HE SAYS during that drunken thing. http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1818
"Paving the way for other dudes" "Gettin' you over your bullshit" etc etc. He is showing the baggage that he has over the fact that Faye wouldn't be with him. He is still upset over the fact that he couldn't be with Faye. He is, in effect, saying the things he would say to Faye if he had the courage to. And quite honestly, Faye deserves it! I only wish he could have said it sober. What she did to him was HORRIBLE!
It is not merely a drunken rampage. The things he is saying show that he's not 100 percent over Faye. Dora was absolutely right to end it. If Marten can't get over this, how could he be with Dora?
I hate revisiting that, because it reminds me why I hate Faye so much, but I had to prove a point here.
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Marten said himself that he has some feelings for Faye, but as he also says, that doesn't mean he wanted to leave Dora for her. Yes, Marten might've still had affection for Faye; you can't just turn feelings off, but the thing is, he gave Dora a chance, and he did fall in love with her. As the comic progressed, Marten's feelings for Dora got stronger and he got over Faye. And keep in mind, Marten gave no indication while he was dating Dora that he was dissatisfied with their relationship, and he was never distant or unresponsive to Dora.
Some people don't seem to understand that no, alcohol isn't necessarily truth serum. It greatly, greatly exaggerates feelings that are normally not that strong, or, and I think this is the case with Marten, feelings he used to have; they came out when he was drunk because DORA brought them out. If you didn't notice, Dora is the one who is living in the past where Marten is pining away for Faye when he'd long progressed past that point.
If Marten really wasn't over Faye, he would be having the angry rants while he was sober, not drunk. And he certainly would've had a MUCH bigger problem when Faye slept with Sven.
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