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Near Lurker:
Hoping no one saw my earlier, angrier, oversharing rant: I have been to too many health workers and heard too many differing opinions, often with brazen insults, to believe that psychology is anything but a null field.  Except where delusional disorders are concerned (and even there there are notorious problems with them giving patients delusions), they're nothing but cold readers, mirroring what you've already decided back to you, and if they can help you, they can help you, but we've gone ahead and given them prescription pads and a set of handcuffs.  To be honest, I think this is the best argument for an end to all drug prohibition: society is so desperate for drugs, and some people truly do need them, that we've put them in the hands of glorified carnival workers, and given them de facto jails to justify it.

Emperor Norton:

--- Quote from: Near Lurker on 11 Jun 2011, 14:39 ---Hoping no one saw my earlier, angrier, oversharing rant: I have been to too many health workers and heard too many differing opinions, often with brazen insults, to believe that psychology is anything but a null field.  Except where delusional disorders are concerned (and even there there are notorious problems with them giving patients delusions), they're nothing but cold readers, mirroring what you've already decided back to you, and if they can help you, they can help you, but we've gone ahead and given them prescription pads and a set of handcuffs.  To be honest, I think this is the best argument for an end to all drug prohibition: society is so desperate for drugs, and some people truly do need them, that we've put them in the hands of glorified carnival workers, and given them de facto jails to justify it.

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Maybe its different where you from, but in the US a therapists is generally a PSYCHOLOGIST, not a PSYCHIATRIST. Meaning: they aren't medical doctors, they don't have prescription pads. Not only that LOL at people getting put in mental institutions for petty reasons like you seem to imply.

As for the rest of your post... how's it feel to be so superior to the rest of those idiots who believe in therapy and have benefited? I've never needed it myself, but I know way too many people who have gone to a GOOD therapist and come out the other side with their problems much more in control. Now, I agree there is probably too many shitty psychologists, but that doesn't equate to what they do not working when done well.

pwhodges:
This subject has offered a sharp reminder that in an international forum like this, misunderstandings can arise from entirely unsuspected causes - I guess we should all take it as a reminder to be careful in reacting to other people's remarks!  In my case, even though some of my family live in Germany, I had no idea that the concept of therapy was so different there.


--- Quote from: Near Lurker on 11 Jun 2011, 14:39 ---they're nothing but cold readers, mirroring what you've already decided back to you,
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Yes, that happens; yes there are bad therapists; in the UK, at least, not so many or so bad as to be a major cause of concern, I would say.  For my part I have only had good therapists (for a short time around my divorce).  I also don't know, Near Lurker, where you are; but there is a not uncommon perception held here in the UK that therapy is turned to in the US with less justification than here (especially for children), and that as this requires more therapists, the standard might be lower.  However, this is anecdotal, and I have no evidence either way on it.

TheEvilDog:

--- Quote from: Near Lurker on 11 Jun 2011, 14:39 ---Hoping no one saw my earlier, angrier, oversharing rant: I have been to too many health workers and heard too many differing opinions, often with brazen insults, to believe that psychology is anything but a null field.  Except where delusional disorders are concerned (and even there there are notorious problems with them giving patients delusions), they're nothing but cold readers, mirroring what you've already decided back to you, and if they can help you, they can help you, but we've gone ahead and given them prescription pads and a set of handcuffs.  To be honest, I think this is the best argument for an end to all drug prohibition: society is so desperate for drugs, and some people truly do need them, that we've put them in the hands of glorified carnival workers, and given them de facto jails to justify it.

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But you can say the same about any medical professional. The good ones will take the time to listen and to make the proper diagnosis. Then you have the doctors/nurses/surgeons/dentists who should have never been allowed to graduate, let alone practise their profession. How many people have died of a heart attack because their doctor missed the signs? Or what about the people who find out they have terminal cancer because the doctor didn't bother to order that vital x-ray? Lets not forget the people who have had surgery only for the surgeons to discover instruments left behind after a previous operation. For every bad therapist you guys might think of, there are just as many more "legitimate" medical professionals who are worse.

Carl-E:
And jwhouk (like myself) is American.  We have a notoriously difficult time with geography...

IN all honesty, i thought Austria was still part of Germany until I checked!  My apologies, Austrians - wherever you are!   :laugh:

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