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WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
Kugai:
I just realised who Jim is
He's Marten 20 years into the future
Ain't that a depressing thought.
TheEvilDog:
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--- Quote from: themacnut on 22 Jun 2011, 12:59 ---All the abuse he took from Faye, both physical and emotional, during that time, for one thing.
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Emotional abuse?! What, saying she wanted to be his friend but not his girlfriend, and then, when he shows signs of wanting to go further, sticking to this?
(The "physical abuse" I always regarded as just being cartoon violence).
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Because we all know abuse is okay when its female on male! :roll:
Schmorgluck:
--- Quote from: Andy147 on 22 Jun 2011, 16:22 ---Emotional abuse?! What, not saying she wanted to be his friend but not his girlfriend, and then, when he shows signs of wanting to go further, sending mixed signals?
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FTFY
Seriously, Faye's issues are an acceptable excuse for a lot of it, but the actual result was pretty much abusive.
Akima:
--- Quote from: someone on 22 Jun 2011, 07:47 ---
--- Quote from: Akima on 22 Jun 2011, 02:54 ---
--- Quote from: Coffee_Kaioken on 22 Jun 2011, 00:36 ---Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.
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Yeah, because dumping someone disqualifies you from going out with someone else ever again, and smiling is right out of course. :roll:
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The problem is that the first poster identifies with the characters and must have some emotionial involvement with them. Jehp has taken this from a story of Marten and those around him to a hipster slacker episode of Glee. A key point in development in a comic is when you mature certain story lines and need to take a character forward. Jeph has decided to treat Marten like later Vonegut and John Le Carre male characters, thrusting them into pathetic predictable defeat.
So the story goes from Marten and his friends where we cheer for them and their cute foibles, hoping that things turn out, to a morose turn of events for the main guy as his ex girlfried thrives while his world has an almost where every physical location he inhabits is painful (work with Tai hitting on Dora, Coffee of Doom with Dora blowing him off then dating an old perv, and My Secret Backery with said perv) and his friends all just accept the situation without support or commiseration except being told to buck up or that it would be hot if Tai and Dora got together.
If you had read this first and worked your way back, you may have accepted the Glee or contrived reality show feeling to this later story line but if you were from the beginning, you could be frustrated and betrayed by the turn of the comic. While I may not like it anymore, I am sure my 13 year old daughter would eat it up, at least until she gets a few years older.
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Wow! How very patronising of you to assume that I've only recently started to follow QC. I can't remember exactly when I started reading, but I've been posting on this forum for more than two years. And anyone who feels betrayed by a comic strip (high-school drama much?) has issues of attachment they need to work on. Seriously, if you don't like QC any more, stop reading.
Edit: On rereading, I realised that I'd misread part of the post to which I was replying. Fixed.
reboundstudent:
--- Quote from: michael28 on 22 Jun 2011, 10:25 ---I'm bothered with a detail in the development since the breakup. Since Martens mom meeting Dora, there was not one point where Dora showed any interest in Marten (in the comics). Wheter he is fine, or anything. Whereas Marten did ask how she is and what she's up to. OK some people force feed him that stuff like a he's a french goose with an appointment with a clever. Not that I'd think that Martens method is healthier. As I said a long time ago, that kid has got to grow some balls or he'd be the eternal punching bag.
Sound obvious, but that could be the main point in the dislike of Dora in the readership ( It sure is mine. Way to go mr. cartonist we have an antagonist :D ). The way, she dealt with the whole breakup looks very cold blooded these days.
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Personally, I think it'd be pretty difficult for Dora TO ask how Marten is doing without sounding patronizing and superior, since she is the one who called it off. Perhaps she figures the best thing she can do for Marten is stay out of his way and out of his life, and that means not turning to his friends and poking her nose into his business.
Or maybe she figures he's moved on and isn't entirely ready to face that. So, she doesn't ask questions she knows she can't handle the answer to (progress?) As she's used to dating assholes, maybe she's used to seeing those assholes with new arm candy come the next morning. And frankly, Marten got hit on more while they were dating than she did... maybe it'd be just as big a surprise to her to discover she got to the first post-breakup date first.
Lastly, I don't understand why everyone is so convinced Marten is in such pain right now. Yeah he got drunk and sad immediately after the break-up. Since then, he's checked out other girls, tried to score/get further along with Secret Bakery Chick, and has generally been living life normally. Even his confession to Tai was laced with apathy. Why does he get to move on to other girls, but Dora must swear off all others until she's sure Marten's all securely paired up? In what dimension do things work that way among humans?
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