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WCDT 20-24 June (1951-1955)
Somnus Eternus:
Awww, Jim's really growing on me. And not like a fungus...I think.
Probably doesn't help that I like somewhat-dirty old men (provided they still shower).
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 23 Jun 2011, 06:28 ---"I've got a bad feeling about this." - Han Solo, A New Hope
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Just a bit of indigestion. Gas-X'll clear that right up.
themacnut:
What is confusing about the whole Dora-Jim thing is that Dora was dateless for a while before starting up with Marten, so her going out with Jim barely a month after ending things with Marten is kinda inconsistent.
As for what Jeph thinks will set the forums afire, well, my speculation is that Dora and Jim will end up getting along so well, they'll end up sharing a passionate kiss...and maybe much more. That will certainly raise the virtual roof around here.
michael28:
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--- Quote from: LeeC on 22 Jun 2011, 11:04 ---I mentioned that in another thread, that perhaps she is so used to dating D-bags and the break-ups and post break ups with them that perhaps this is how she deals with Marten and her break ups. Get over him fast and not think about him and find someone new quickly as a rebound to help cement in her mind that it is over.
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That sounds disturbing and dumb. And even more disturbing since it's a male artist (together with his significant other) who writes that stuff. I'm not much into psychology, but how common is that? There is no learning curve just repeat the same bad choices again and again.
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Dumb? Really?
How about commonplace among individuals who have been in abusive or at least really crappy relationships in the past, something Sven already confirmed Dora's dealt with? I'm not really sure how Dora's coping mechanisms (which, incidentally, she's going to therapy for) are in any way dumb. Terrible? Sure. Painful? Yep. Dumb? Nope.
I'd also love to know how Jeph being male and having someone has anything to do with how he writes his comic either, because you really lost me there. :psyduck:
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I know it's commonplace. But yeah, dumb. I'm not that good in tolerating self-abuse on everydays basis. How should you otherwise call someone who knows that he is making bad decisions over and over again. All the things you said are true, and much nicer than the stuff I said.
As I said before I'm a sexist and it astounds me (positively) when a male writer is able to paint a such painful vivid pictures of his female characters (i know some of them, in male and female form, except Hanners, which is sad). I like to read about every of them in this comic (even Raven, just for fun) and that doesn't happen very often to me in webcomics.
Maybe that has something to do with most webcomics mentioned in that tvtrope:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale
being on my feedlist.
@themacnut (the mac nut?)
confusing, moreover that bouth of them said, that they still feel something for each other. Maybe 1 month was enough for Dora to burrow that. Marten on the other hand is not as tough in that case. Which gets him some points from the readership and more abuse from the writer :) .
again, the darkspots in my soul are liking your ideas.... jeph please do dat ^^ heh, how about faye getting an early notice of that or Marten seeing the "dance of the horny sea slug" .... gleeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
someone:
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--- Quote from: Coffee_Kaioken on 22 Jun 2011, 00:36 ---Hope you enjoy your date, Dora, you know, after dumping Marten and all. At least you're there now, smiling.
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Yeah, because dumping someone disqualifies you from going out with someone else ever again, and smiling is right out of course. :roll:
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The problem is that the first poster identifies with the characters and must have some emotionial involvement with them. Jehp has taken this from a story of Marten and those around him to a hipster slacker episode of Glee. A key point in development in a comic is when you mature certain story lines and need to take a character forward. Jeph has decided to treat Marten like later Vonegut and John Le Carre male characters, thrusting them into pathetic predictable defeat.
So the story goes from Marten and his friends where we cheer for them and their cute foibles, hoping that things turn out, to a morose turn of events for the main guy as his ex girlfried thrives while his world has an almost where every physical location he inhabits is painful (work with Tai hitting on Dora, Coffee of Doom with Dora blowing him off then dating an old perv, and My Secret Backery with said perv) and his friends all just accept the situation without support or commiseration except being told to buck up or that it would be hot if Tai and Dora got together.
If you had read this first and worked your way back, you may have accepted the Glee or contrived reality show feeling to this later story line but if you were from the beginning, you could be frustrated and betrayed by the turn of the comic. While I may not like it anymore, I am sure my 13 year old daughter would eat it up, at least until she gets a few years older.
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Wow! How very patronising of you to assume that I've only recently started to follow QC. I can't remember exactly when I started reading, but I've been posting on this forum for more than two years. And anyone who feels betrayed by a comic strip (high-school drama much?) has issues of attachment they need to work on. Seriously, if you don't like QC any more, stop reading.
Edit: On rereading, I realised that I'd misread part of the post to which I was replying. Fixed.
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I have actually stopped reading the comic but only posted here to see if I was the only person who was thinking the tenor of the comic had changed for the worse and seeking validation that I was not the only one who felt this way. Validation is a big part of how any human approaches the world. We like to believe our experiences and understandings are shared to some degree.
You will find that one of the big reasons we enjoy art is that it communicates to us in ways we find meaningful or helpful, even if it just provides us with a little chuckle about some people we can to which we can relate. I am surprised that you haven't covered that in English Lit yet. If you have a friend in the AP class, you can probably ask her about it. So a person can feel betrayed by a comic writier that they liked if that comic was meaningful to them. If this was not possible, no one would read it in the first place. I think that you are reading a lot into "betrayed." I don't feel like the author has personnaly done anything to me, I just think that a daily ritual for me went from 30 seconds of humor and a little identification with cute characters to bleh, I guess Jeph is struggling with character development and originality so the plot now caves in on your "high school much" plot developmnt. This is followed by "at least I still have Girls with Slingshots and Bad Machinery. Better find a couple new good web comics."
If I or any others feel betrayed, from anoyed and a sense of loss at a nice comic gone bad to whatever else people feel such as a anger that a character with which people strongly idenitfy and for whom they cheer becoming a "butt monkey" as another poster said, it is because they could connect with the characters and got a lot out of it. It shows the comic was very successful at connetiing with people and now, for some, it is either drivel or it betrayed what they liked about it because they enjoyed its message about their world.
By the way, my comment about "if you read from the beginning" was not about how long a person had read the comic, but how someone coming in at different points may view the recent plotting. Someone, even if they started this week, who started on the first comic and read forward may have a different view than someon who jumped in recently, caught up a little but later went back and read it. The two people would see the plotting change differently.
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TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: michael28 on 23 Jun 2011, 07:09 ---Maybe that has something to do with most webcomics mentioned in that tvtrope:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbuseIsOkayWhenItIsFemaleOnMale
being on my feedlist.
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Got there long before you did mate.
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