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WCDT: 27th June - 1st July (1956-1960)
jacjyd:
The first time I read the comic I for some reason didn't absorb the last panel and only saw the text bubble about cleaning and though it was a mini alter Hannelore, wanting time to clean!
Ooh maybe Dora will come up to his place for some coffee/baked goods and she'll meet the daughter and the Dad will be all about to scold her and Dora will step in and handle it in some big sistery way!
Tiogyr:
--- Quote from: jacjyd on 28 Jun 2011, 08:20 ---The first time I read the comic I for some reason didn't absorb the last panel and only saw the text bubble about cleaning and though it was a mini alter Hannelore, wanting time to clean!
Ooh maybe Dora will come up to his place for some coffee/baked goods and she'll meet the daughter and the Dad will be all about to scold her and Dora will step in and handle it in some big sistery way!
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What is wrong with you? That would make Dora even creepier than people thought Jim was if she acted like that the first time she met his daughter.
Carl-E:
Singular "they" is a particular bugaboo for me. I've used it for years, usually in writings referring to a genderless student. But recently when my father-in-law (retired English professor and department head of a big 10 university) saw me use it in a poece my wife had him proof, he threw a fit, thought I'd know better. Pain in the but rewriting all that, and wound up using a few "he/she"s, which I loathe.
Daughter's age? Remember Jeph's size issues, you can't judge by height, especially compared with background appliances. She doesn't seem that old, could be anywhere in the 9 - 13 range, I'd say. We'll find out soon enough - seems we're going to get a full intro to Jim!
hannahsaurusrex:
I for one am suprised at all the support today; I love it, but it's eerie. I keep waiting for "HE HAS A KID?!?? KEeP THAT CrAZY BITCH AWAY!!!!"
As for the daughter (I'm hoping for the name Lucy) addition:
I don't really think he's going to introduce the two of them quite yet, and the possibility of staying over is now sorta eliminated.
I like this added factor, Jim immediately becomes more responsible which is both attractive and necessary to Dora right now. He's got things to take care of all of the time, which could be really great for her. Yes, she might and probably will get irrationally jealous at some point, but unlike Marten, Jim won't have time for her to act out.
Probably though, the flames of their love, like Jim's kitchen, will become extinguished.
Schmorgluck:
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--- Quote from: NotAwesomeAnymore on 28 Jun 2011, 05:09 ---Off-topic: I've read philosophy paper/essay things which use the genderless pronouns 'ey', 'em' and 'eir'. I would use those because I find assigning a gender awkward and the singular 'they' is wrong, but I worry about looking like a loser. Finland is so progressive.
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But singular they is NOT wrong. It has been used throughout modern English and nobody is confused when they see it.
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It's more complicated than that. It's actually a pretty recent grammatical construction, built for specific political reasons. (which makes it pretty par for the course compared to every grammatical construction ever).
--- Quote ---The word "they" can be used to indicate uncertainty of gender, number or identity. It can also be used when the antecedent is known to be plural. At some point (probably right after denouncing split infinitives and terminal pronouns, both of which are perfectly acceptable) someone declared by fiat that the first usage was verboten.
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As a French, I can tell you it's even more complicated in some languages. At least in English plural pronouns are neutral. It's not the case in French. And it brings out plenty of political questions. For example, canonically, by French grammar, a group of persons that includes three billions women and one man has to be refered using a "male" (or rather "masculine") variant of "they".
So at least English could invent singular "they". We're still uncertain about what to do in French.
--- Quote ---They then went on to presumably read that "All men are created equal" and decided that women are neither created nor equal, and therefore not worth mentioning at all. Sooner or later, women decided that that attitude was not to blithely be put up with.[/quoted]
It was based on many preexisting texts, some of which lead to the Constitution of Virginia, which greatly influenced La Fayette who, when he came back to France, drafted the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen.
And amidst French Revolution, some women, most famously Olympe de Gouges, called out about the gender bias in the wording, which was in no way unsignificant. Olympe claimed that "A woman has the right to mount the scaffold. She must possess equally the right to mount the speaker's platform." And she produced the [Declaration of the Rights of Woman and the Female Citizen/url]. She was very inconvenient to the Boys. She was decapitated for that.
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