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WCDT: Independence Day Week (4 - 8 July, 1961-1965)
grimeyville:
--- Quote from: amandathehunter on 05 Jul 2011, 12:56 --- The comic linked above, where Marten's mother demands he apologize to her, and his friends, for his behavior, came across to me as a response of emotional exhaustion. He just got out of a bad breakup in a long term relationship, and his own mother was sneaking off from dinner with him to call his ex and check on her. Arguing with people, yelling at people, being upset - those are all emotionally draining. I think, at the end of the night, the point when this event occurred, he just wanted to go home and sleep. He was done dealing with his mother, and done thinking about Dora. I think it's unfair to use that as an example of a weak self-will.
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Suddenly I feel I jumped to conclusions. I didn't mean to use that as an example of weak self-will, so much hmm...
An example of how Marten responds to his parents, showing us how he has become the way he is?
I don't even know if that sounds plausible anymore. :psyduck:
Near Lurker:
Has a WCDT thread ever been locked on the Tuesday of the week? That's some impressive flamewarrin' there.
I will say, though, that Marten is not at fault. This was the culmination of a long pattern of insecurities and double standards by Dora. Marten wasn't perfect - his attachment to Faye really did get to be a bit much at times - and I'd say his conduct with Faye before The Talk was definitely a bit Nice-Guy-ish - but I think anyone who weren't either unconscionably domineering (like all her exes...) or a complete doormat would have eventually come to a similar situation with her. If it hadn't been what it was, it would have been something else.
Blackjoker:
--- Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 05 Jul 2011, 11:34 ---
--- Quote from: idontunderstand on 05 Jul 2011, 10:09 ---EARFUCK I TELL YOU
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Aural sex, then cookies!
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I bequeath to thee one internet, or if we're out of those I bequeath instead a tapdancing coconut.
As to the story itself, I thought that was a rather interesting flash of self insight on Doras part. I would arguably put more of the burden on her than him, but I also think that the sudden outburst of insight, combined with realizing what she said out loud was pretty good. I also like Jims expression in the last panel.
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: Near Lurker on 05 Jul 2011, 14:29 ---but I think anyone who weren't either unconscionably domineering (like all her exes...)
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I'll stop you there. The only pre-comic ex of Marten's we've ever come across is Vicki, and she wasn't domineering, instead she seemed more passive aggressive, and who resorted to ignoring Marten up until the point she told him it was over when she left California. Other than that, we don't know anything about any of his other exes, so we can't really determine what their personalities were.
Blackjoker:
--- Quote from: grimeyville on 05 Jul 2011, 14:28 ---
--- Quote from: amandathehunter on 05 Jul 2011, 12:56 --- The comic linked above, where Marten's mother demands he apologize to her, and his friends, for his behavior, came across to me as a response of emotional exhaustion. He just got out of a bad breakup in a long term relationship, and his own mother was sneaking off from dinner with him to call his ex and check on her. Arguing with people, yelling at people, being upset - those are all emotionally draining. I think, at the end of the night, the point when this event occurred, he just wanted to go home and sleep. He was done dealing with his mother, and done thinking about Dora. I think it's unfair to use that as an example of a weak self-will.
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Suddenly I feel I jumped to conclusions. I didn't mean to use that as an example of weak self-will, so much hmm...
An example of how Marten responds to his parents, showing us how he has become the way he is?
I don't even know if that sounds plausible anymore. :psyduck:
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I think it's accurate to an extent. What got me in the linked comic actually had more to do with wondering if part of Martens passivity might also just be a kind of defense mechanism. Marten has been described as a Manatee on Coedine, and that does sorta fit in some ways but I think it's also worth noting that he does have pretty fair reserves of internal resilience. The problem I had with it was that his mom knew he was at a low point and yet seemed to want to rub salt in the wounds when she showed up, and was in fact much nicer to him when she showed up for a general visit and things were going relatively WELL for him. Martens situation with his dad seems to have been better but I figure there might have been a bit of bitterness when his dad came out and his parents divorced. From what it sounds like the divorce wasn't very amicable though the two eventually reconciled to being friends. I don't know how much it says about Marten per se, but it does seem that he's quite used to being ignored or put upon by those around him. I also want to point out that it was the always snarky Faye and the sometimes imbalanced Hannelore that really did try to help Marten feel better and make things better for him.
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