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WCDT: Independence Day Week (4 - 8 July, 1961-1965)
michael28:
--- Quote from: amandathehunter on 06 Jul 2011, 03:46 ---Just read today's comic. I feel like I'm having Flashbacks.
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you too? So Dora gets the fayelike feelings? Maybe Martens mom is the one to blame next :D
TinPenguin:
Good man, Jim. Good man.
--- Quote from: pwhodges on 06 Jul 2011, 02:22 ---But what is "openness"? He thought it not especially worth mentioning, whereas she viewed that as hiding it.
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It's not good to be sealed shut, but openness is not by default a good thing. I think honesty is more crucial to relationships of any kind, romantic or otherwise. Honesty is not about telling everybody everything. It isn't necessarily even about always telling the truth. It's about not attempting to deceive anybody, and I don't think Marten for a moment had deception in mind.
I think it's probable that he did deliberately think 'better not tell Dora about this one!' in the interests of keeping the peace. It wasn't about deceiving her, it was just, as with the issue with the porn, that some things are best kept private. I once casually mentioned to my ex that another girl had said I was good-looking, and it spiralled into a big argument where we both overreacted. With that kind of thing in mind, Marten knew it would do no harm if he didn't tell her, and he didn't want to risk it becoming a big deal. Unfortunately for him, Dora found out by other means and it became an even bigger deal, but that's not his fault.
There are no clear-cut answers to issues like this, and that's why it's interesting to discuss them.
bhtooefr:
With that, Jim gained a lot of respect in my eyes.
WAYF:
I feel like I'm watching a completely different Dora to the one who used to flirt shamelessly with Marten.
(well, ok, sometimes she was a little bit shameful, but it's a figure of speech :P )
Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. Although it could be under the wrong circumstances. Marten didn't initially know about Dora's insecurities after all.
Aanyway, let's hear it for Ultra-Charitable-Jim (as people have said, he's behaving a lot like Marten did in 509) and for Dora having the good sense to act (or not as the case may be) in accordance with her current emotional state.
In summary, I'd say this date was a bad idea that turned into an actually-pretty-good idea thanks to Dora's realization.
Now let's get back to the party. :D
Sylentknight:
--- Quote from: amandathehunter on 06 Jul 2011, 03:46 ---Just read today's comic. I feel like I'm having Flashbacks.
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Wow. I'd forgotten all of this. Go to the link and read forward a bit and you'll see what I mean. Hanner's could be a bit of a hard a$$ back in the day. I kinda miss that.
Dora had her "big talk" with Jeff, which makes sense since anyone else is too close to the situation and friends with Marten. And while Marten did have his drunken moment he lost out on the wisdom of Jim, the Redneck Writer. I think "Mopy" Marten may need a testosterone intervention at this point with Steve, Jim and maybe Wil, all of whom are far enough removed to see things Marten can't. Or maybe just Hannelore, since she was his first psychoanalyst. :-)
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