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WCDT: Independence Day Week (4 - 8 July, 1961-1965)
westrim:
--- Quote from: iduguphergrave on 06 Jul 2011, 07:38 ---Finally you've made a good decision, Dora.
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Eh? She didn't make a good decision, he made a good decision. She just went along with it.
TheEvilDog:
--- Quote from: iduguphergrave on 06 Jul 2011, 07:38 ---Dora needs a friend much more than a lover right now.
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I would have said she could have done with a swift kick up the ass, but yours works too.
Tiogyr:
--- Quote from: TheEvilDog on 06 Jul 2011, 08:05 ---I would have said she could have done with a swift kick up the ass, but yours works too.
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For a second there I thought you said "dick" and not "kick"... :psyduck:
lepetitfromage:
--- Quote from: Blackjoker on 05 Jul 2011, 14:36 ---
--- Quote from: grimeyville on 05 Jul 2011, 14:28 ---
--- Quote from: amandathehunter on 05 Jul 2011, 12:56 --- The comic linked above, where Marten's mother demands he apologize to her, and his friends, for his behavior, came across to me as a response of emotional exhaustion. He just got out of a bad breakup in a long term relationship, and his own mother was sneaking off from dinner with him to call his ex and check on her. Arguing with people, yelling at people, being upset - those are all emotionally draining. I think, at the end of the night, the point when this event occurred, he just wanted to go home and sleep. He was done dealing with his mother, and done thinking about Dora. I think it's unfair to use that as an example of a weak self-will.
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Suddenly I feel I jumped to conclusions. I didn't mean to use that as an example of weak self-will, so much hmm...
An example of how Marten responds to his parents, showing us how he has become the way he is?
I don't even know if that sounds plausible anymore. :psyduck:
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I think it's accurate to an extent. What got me in the linked comic actually had more to do with wondering if part of Martens passivity might also just be a kind of defense mechanism. Marten has been described as a Manatee on Coedine, and that does sorta fit in some ways but I think it's also worth noting that he does have pretty fair reserves of internal resilience. The problem I had with it was that his mom knew he was at a low point and yet seemed to want to rub salt in the wounds when she showed up, and was in fact much nicer to him when she showed up for a general visit and things were going relatively WELL for him. Martens situation with his dad seems to have been better but I figure there might have been a bit of bitterness when his dad came out and his parents divorced. From what it sounds like the divorce wasn't very amicable though the two eventually reconciled to being friends. I don't know how much it says about Marten per se, but it does seem that he's quite used to being ignored or put upon by those around him. I also want to point out that it was the always snarky Faye and the sometimes imbalanced Hannelore that really did try to help Marten feel better and make things better for him.
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This post got me thinking a little more about Marten's relationships with his parents....if you think about it, both of them seem to have made really big, fairly out of the ordinary decisions (or at least ones that have the ability to impact a very impressionable child/teenager). His mother was a porn star and his parents divorced because his dad came out. Both pretty intense things to deal with- that Marten had no choice but to accept if he was going to have a good relationship with either. Maybe his "sit-back-and-do-nothing" attitude stems from that? Although, I'm not sure if he ever alluded to his actual reactions/responses to the divorce. Anyone know for sure? This could just be me over-analyzing, but it's just too damn fun to give up. :-P
oh. and i spent the last hour and a half reading every page on google about doobl. Thanks, Tiogyr. I'm quasi-convinced it was a hoax, but I'm aching for some closure!!
(and simultaneously embarrassed that I became that obsessed with it for that long)
also- yay for Dora and Jim being responsible adults!! It's refreshing :-D
Is it cold in here?:
Marten has hidden behind humor in describing his reactions to the divorce (conversation with Tai, I'm too lazy to look up the strip) but has used the phrase "bitter recriminations".
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