Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT: 11-15 July 2011 (1966-1970)
Tiogyr:
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--- Quote from: Tiogyr on 12 Jul 2011, 09:47 ---The meaning really isn't all that uncertain at all,
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Wikipedia disagrees:
--- Quote from: Wikipedia ---One difficulty in studying the "nice guy" phenomenon is due to the ambiguity of the "nice guy" construct. Participants in studies interpret "nice guy" to mean different things.
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followed by examples and references to studies.
That's enough for me to say that the controversy that using the term here brings just isn't worth the trouble.
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Counterpoint: Every movie with Micheal Cera, Jesse Eisenberg from "The Squid and the Whale" and "Adventureland", Steve Carrell in "The 40 Year Old Virgin", Zach Braff in "The Last Kiss", Max Minghella in "Art School Confidential" and pretty much every movie Woody Allen has ever been in, as well.
All "Nice Guys", and Marten shares characteristics with all of them (except he hasn't had the "right woman" come along to make him come out of his horrible, awkward shell like they do in those movies).
EDIT: Keep in mind that we're talking about portrayals in fiction, too.
NotAwesomeAnymore:
"Nice Guy" is a label which doesn't mean much except something negative. So what we're gonna do is define that label so that it fits Marten's characteristics. And then other people will redefine the term "Nice Guy" and because Marten already falls under the label "Nice Guy", "logic" dictates that he has the characteristics in their definition. i.e. The label results in people attributing characteristics to Marten that he doesn't have and the forum becomes angry fanfic.
Don't make like we're all rational enough to stop this from happening.
Another thing: Even if we were to agree on the exact characteristics of "Nice Guy", it's not like it's a species of plant. It will only result (has resulted) in people deciding that he is partly a "Nice Guy" and then debating to what degree he fits in a category that was made up in the first place. Is there such a thing as partly an Oak Tree? No. Because that label actually works.
Tiogyr:
You would have a point if the term hasn't been around since (at least) 1939.
gprimr1:
I've given up on the term nice guy, I like "gentleman."
NotAwesomeAnymore:
Woops, I already removed the post because I figured it wasn't productive. You caught me :psyduck:
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