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Norwegian site rehosting dozens of comics (including QC)
benji:
--- Quote from: Skewbrow on 13 Jul 2011, 22:51 ---I have problems understanding many a legal concept related to internet, but exactly how does this differ from what Google is doing?
Collecting data published by others and using it to generate traffic. Just in smaller scale. If there is an actual copyright violation, then, sure, fry his ass, but if he would do it by providing links (as suggested by Jimor), then I fail to see the difference.
FYI: I keep adblock on for many a site (not QC, as the ads there are not so disturbing, but e.g. anything originating from google.analytics is blocked - at least I like to think it is - as I don't want to partake a massive marketing research project) and prefer to support the sites I enjoy with the donate button.
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Google links back to the original website. Thus, ultimately, it is the original website and not Google that gets the hit when you actually read the information.
--- Quote from: idontunderstand on 14 Jul 2011, 12:31 ---No but they (supposedly) cause economical damage to the people who created the original works. This can probably not be said with Jeph's comic, since it's a free webcomic.
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The economic model that Jeph uses relies on add revenue. Advertisers pay based on the number of hits a website receives. If a website like this one were to take away hits, it would be doing demonstrable harm to Jeph's bottom line.
idontunderstand:
--- Quote from: benji on 14 Jul 2011, 13:17 ---
--- Quote from: idontunderstand on 14 Jul 2011, 12:31 ---No but they (supposedly) cause economical damage to the people who created the original works. This can probably not be said with Jeph's comic, since it's a free webcomic.
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The economic model that Jeph uses relies on add revenue. Advertisers pay based on the number of hits a website receives. If a website like this one were to take away hits, it would be doing demonstrable harm to Jeph's bottom line.
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A possible way but not a clear area.
Skewbrow:
Just to be clear: my instincts for what's right are on Jeph's side here (if there is any damage).
The article on court rulings (link given in pwhodges' post in this thread) makes for interesting reading. It sounds like this guy is breaking the copyright law given that he keeps copies of the strips on his server. If he only provided the links that would be basically ok, but if the links go 'deep' and by-pass the target sites advertising, then we're in the grey area, and that's what those rulings are about. I couldn't help getting the feeling that basically the courts were saying that search engines give such a cool public service that we really can't ban deep linking, and we wouldn't know how/why anyway, so ...
I am not yet totally comfortable with the business model of advertisers paying per hit. I realize that we're heading in that direction, but I don't like it basically because I don't have any control of it. How it is done? Using cookies? I hate it when just about every site throws cookies. Basically because I don't know. why they need to do that (unless it is for things like storing my login data as is happening for example here)? I like it when sites provide the alternative of "a membership for a modest fee", and as a side benefit the ads are gone. Jeph doesn't have pop-ups, flashing images and such so the advertising on his site is fine with me (or may be the pop-up blocker add-on really is working?)
Carl-E:
No, Jeph's ads are pretty low-key. The tracking of hits is usually done on the server side, based on requests from unique IP addresses, so they know if you're a "new" visitor or a repeat for that day's ads. No cookies necessary.
Doesn't mean that some sites don't put them there anyway...
Tanksenior:
--- Quote from: NotAwesomeAnymore on 14 Jul 2011, 04:33 ---People who host music and movie downloads might not make money, but they're still pirating. Is this different?
Though it took years of assholery to bring down The Pirate Bay, so I don't know what can come of this...
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What are you talking about? The Pirate Bay isn't down......
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