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Tom:
In that case, speaking from personal experience, Winehouse mya have had only a limited sense of control when it came to these self-destructive behaviours. You know, as a result of her psychopathology.
jwhouk:
And that I don't argue with. In fact, I'd almost bet that was her issue.
Some people, it's alcohol and crack. For others, it's Mountain Dew and Big Macs.
spoon_of_grimbo:
i have little sympathy for the girl. yes, addiction is a disease, but it only takes hold after you start abusing a drug or drugs. nobody forced her to try heroin (and lets face it, it might have been the drink that eventually killed her, but had she not been ruined by skag abuse, her body would've been stronger and more well equipped to deal with the rigors of alcohol abuse), and NOBODY tries heroin oblivious to what it's known to do and the millions of lives it has ruined.
pwhodges:
--- Quote from: spoon_of_grimbo on 04 Aug 2011, 04:09 ---and NOBODY tries heroin oblivious to what it's known to do and the millions of lives it has ruined.
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So I guess there must be millions of reasons for them to do it anyway that you haven't taken into account. For starters, try reading some autobiographies of people who went there and managed to come back from the abyss.
(Oh, and perhaps, in its small way, getting into an argument on the Internet is also something we don't do oblivious to the effects it can have...)
spoon_of_grimbo:
--- Quote from: Jeans on 04 Aug 2011, 16:20 ---I wasn't being passive aggressive! I was being overtly aggressive, because spoon_of_grimbo was acting like an asshole with a callous disregard for other people when he implied there's no reason to care about people who have mental problems and/or are drug addicts.
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as far as drug addicts go - unless the person has become addicted to something they were prescribed or was held at gunpoint and forced to take an illegal drug, then they consciously made the choice to abuse a substance in the first place - knowingly breaking laws and taking any number of monumentally obvious risks. if they come out of the other side a better person, then jolly well done for them; however i don't see why i should be expected to be sympathetic if they don't. being in a country where my taxes pay for healthcare, i look at junkies and the like as a drain on the country's and my own resources, as well as a threat to others' lives - it sickens me that someone with a genuine injury or illness could be left to die because a potentially lifesaving ambulance is busy dealing with someone's self inflicted illness.
and where exactly to mental problems come into this? i'm willing to be corrected here if i am in fact uninformed on the matter, but from what i can gather, the only mental issues surrounding amy winehouse were the fact that she was an addict, and that addiction is a disease. but yet again - a disease which only takes hold once the person has initially begun abusing a substance - a choice she made herself, as far as i can see.
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