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WCDT 22-26 August 2011 (1996-2000)
DSL:
What sticks with me about "2001": Humans will do their damndest to be banal in the midst of grandeur ("Let's see ... ham, ham, ham ...") Also, HAL was the most human of all the characters.
What sticks with me about "2010": Roy Scheider is sticking his elbow into a rocket nozzle.
rje:
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--- Quote from: westrim on 23 Aug 2011, 09:24 ---Other widely known 2001 quotes include "good morning Dave," "open the pod bay doors, HAL," and "This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it." It also gave us a lot of indelible imagery, like the monolith, the protohumans fighting, bone becomes spaceship match cut, Dave's helmet cam, and probably some other stuff, but aside from HAL's optical sensor they don't have much to do with AI.
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It had style, no doubt about that. I like those aspects, but I don't like it as a film because... I can't really get a handle on the narrative.
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This is how I feel, tho I wanna more say I don't like it as a film to watch. I saw the whole thing, loved a lot of the visuals, disliked others, generally could kind of follow what it was trying to say, but on a whole, as a whole, I really just couldn't get into it, y'know? I found it draggy and tiring to watch. I can totally admit there are films that are brilliant in construction but I still just don't like watching them.
I freaking love A Clockwork Orange though.
DSL:
--- Quote from: TheBiscuit on 23 Aug 2011, 10:56 ---It had style, no doubt about that. I like those aspects, but I don't like it as a film because... I can't really get a handle on the narrative.
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Deliciously ironic. Did you mean to do that?
Akima:
--- Quote from: jwhouk on 23 Aug 2011, 15:21 ---What is really making me feel old is that I remember seeing 2010 in theaters - and thinking that it was the better of the two movies.
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2010 isn't a bad movie, it just suffers by comparison with 2001. 2001 is a flawed masterpiece, while 2010 is merely competent. And was Roy Scheider the Nicholas Cage of his generation, or what?
2010 airbrushes-out non-white people much more obviously too. Kubric merely changed the name of HAL's creator/trainer, a character who never appears on-screen, from Chandra to Langley. 2010 keeps the Chandra character (explicitly and relevantly Indian in the book), but casts a white actor to play him (because of course there are no Indian actors...). 2010 also airbrushes the entire Chinese space-mission out of the film. Scientific knowledge and space exploration were still strictly for people of European descent.
Kugai:
Leda is Skynet
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