Comic Discussion > QUESTIONABLE CONTENT
WCDT 22-26 August 2011 (1996-2000)
TheBiscuit:
--- Quote from: westrim on 23 Aug 2011, 21:04 ---See, I disagree. A movie soundtrack can still be awesome without the movie, Garfield is even better when Garfield isn't speaking, and I've seen performance art pieces with music or vocals that would still be compelling without them. I figure at some point I'll read the book, then sit down and watch the movie while reading the book and get the full experience. Until then, I will probably never watch the movie as a whole piece, but I can still appreciate the separate scenes and join them in my mind with the silent parts on fast forward.
But hey, everyone experiences things differently and your experiences are just as valid as mine.
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When I listen to music I'm normally doing something else as well. What gets to me about 2001 as a movie is that I have to just sit through all this stuff. I don't don't do very well at that. I like books and comics because I can advance them at my own pace. I get by with most visual media to the extent that the pace keeps up with my boredom threshold. Not everyone is the same, nor should they be. That's why the film doesn't work for me. It probably does work for people who are more comfortable with a slow pace.
That said, I consider the ideas behind 2001 to be somewhat of a retread of Clarke's earlier work. Not to the extent that he is telling the same story, but certainly I feel that the same thought processes gave rise to this as to some of his earlier works. Accordingly I believe that 2001 is notably primarily for the stunning visuals, which is the one level on which I really don't enjoy it.
That's a bit convoluted, but do you follow what I'm saying? As a story, I don't consider it a great work. Certainly not the author's magnum opus. As a film, it stands above other films, I can recognise this even though I don't enjoy it. Before I started to post about it here, I wasn't entirely cognizant of my own feelings regarding the film, so that was interesting...
gangler:
--- Quote from: TheBiscuit on 23 Aug 2011, 20:36 ---
--- Quote from: gangler on 23 Aug 2011, 19:35 ---Is it? That surprises me. The concept is pretty all inclusive. Does it not tell a story at all?
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I would say it does not. I would even say it makes no attempt to do so. Instead it attempts to present a series of visually stunning sequences which can be interpreted in conjunction with the novel to form a story, but no story is inherently present in the film.
No doubt many would disagree.
I will acknowledge that several individual scenes do effectively tell part of a story, but no overall story is formed and I genuinely believe it was not the intention that one should be. Regardless of this I still consider it a directorial masterpiece. I believe Kubrick achieved what he set out to do, which appears to have been the creation of an experience rather than a narrative.
There's an audience for that.
It just isn't me.
Aww... my postcount increased, and I'm not an Emoticontraindication anymore.
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Well the fact that such a case can even be made is certainly telling, and the info about the book definitely paints a picture. Fair enough.
0kamisama:
One question pops into mind...
Why do all the other AIs have similar chassis to the one Pintsize has? I thought he had a rare military grade model (with a super laser, since removed), and even Marigold mentioned that the chassis looked strange in her debut comic. Is this a combination Apple store/military surplus warehouse?
Also, I'm looking forward to seeing Momo-tan 2.0! Maybe Jeph will save that for the big 2K!
westrim:
--- Quote from: TheBiscuit on 23 Aug 2011, 22:01 ---That's a bit convoluted, but do you follow what I'm saying?
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Yep.
--- Quote from: TheBiscuit on 23 Aug 2011, 22:01 ---Before I started to post about it here, I wasn't entirely cognizant of my own feelings regarding the film, so that was interesting...
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It's often the case that however much we may have mulled them over in our minds, our ideas and conceptions still change greatly when expressed.
--- Quote from: 0kamisama on 23 Aug 2011, 22:36 ---Why do all the other AIs have similar chassis to the one Pintsize has? I thought he had a rare military grade model (with a super laser, since removed), and even Marigold mentioned that the chassis looked strange in her debut comic. Is this a combination Apple store/military surplus warehouse?
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His chassis is just an ordinary default, like the way that most computer towers look virtually the same. The military thing was the equivalent of making what looks like an ordinary tower, but has a titanium case and liquid cooling with LEDs/ a frikkin laser beam. He still has the titanium case, but no piping and lights.
... I now claim Piping and Lights as a band name.
Vurogj:
Re: The signs in the background.
(click to show/hide)The right board text in panel 2 read "This sign doesn't actually say anything", with part of actually later deleted for whatever reason.
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